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Crime is up in Istanbul, be careful
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ghost



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:10 pm    Post subject: Crime is up in Istanbul, be careful Reply with quote

Who Will Stop This Terror?


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Ahmet Hakan Canidemir, who was a first-year student at the Business Administration Faculty of Kocaeli University, was attacked by muggers in the Adapazari-Istanbul train, in the evening of November 3.


The 18-year-old university student became the new victim of the stealers.
His aggressors threw Canidemir from the train at Kiziltoprak Station before the eyes of other passengers. Having been injured heavily, he is now fighting to survive at intensive care.


(H�rriyetim)


Crime reports like this one are increasing, especially in Istanbul. Something to think about if you use the Adapazari-Istanbul line, to get to and from work.
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wyldfiregyrl



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My roomate was beaten and mugged leaving the Yeşil cafe in Bakirk�y on last tues. night at about 11 pm. After they took all his money and passport they continued to kick him while he was down. He ended up with stitches, concussion, and bruises and the like....
I never much liked him... but not that much.

Be careful everywhere!
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ghost



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:48 pm    Post subject: Danger time Reply with quote

Post script - the unfortunate Canidemir died from his injuries.

Of course - in a city of some 20 million people, your chances of encountering some bad apples are increased.

Most other cities in Turkish are pretty safe, and you can walk everywhere and feel safe.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GHOST ! I thought you had escaped from this awful world of TEFL !
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ghost



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:49 pm    Post subject: And the crime stats continue! Reply with quote

More articles in the Turkish press about crime increase:

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Muggers Attack Police Too
Policemen became the target of the muggers and drug addicts too. Three muggers in Istanbul, stole the cell phone of a police officer in Istanbul, after hitting him on his head, with a wooden stick.


The mugging terror which terrorizes Istanbul started threatening the police, who is allegedly insufficient in preventing the crime, too. Police officer Ersim Sik, was attacked by muggers on the first day of Bairam at 22.30 in Bagcilar.



Sik who was later on found in the park, was hospitalized.



In Izmir, two men were detained after they attempted to rob two police officers in Izmir.

(H�rriyetim)


These types of crimes are on the increase, and some experts predict that things will get worse as many of the youth are being exposed to American type crime on t.v. and in the cinema, with many of these young people unable to differentiate fiction from reality!

Teachers should be careful in certain parts of Istanbul where crime is prevalent. They should avoid these parts late at night, and female teachers should not accept invitations from strangers.

Another reason is the poverty level which has increased, as salaries stay the same (low) but the cost of living continues to increase.

On a side note: Helmut Kohl (Germany) predicted that Turkey has no chance of joining the Euro Union, and that Euro leaders are "fooling" Turkey into thinking that they will be accepted. Kohl thinks the best thing for Turkey would be a kind of "partnership" rather than full membership.
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dmb



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ghost, stop trying to put people coming to Istanbul. These are isolated incidents. Crime is far more common in London or New York. Istanbul is still one of the safest cities in the world.
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Glasgow Rangers FC



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 3:40 pm    Post subject: Nae Bother Reply with quote

If you have ever seen Glasgow's Queen St. station at 3am then I'm sure you would think of Istanbul as the Garden of Eden. You get headcases everywhere. You just need to learn how to deal with them. My advice: if there's more than two of the wideos, run...

Eskisehir is a real safe place. I haven't had one bit of bother in over a year. I've been to Istanbul countless times and nobody has said a word. Just implement a wee bit of common sense, same as anywhere else. If you see a nutter with a kebab sword in the street, don't ask him for a light.
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ghost



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:35 pm    Post subject: Eski. incident Reply with quote

But.... G.R.F.C. - you told ghost and the South African springbok that you had been beaten up by a few guys near the train station in Eskisehir....do you still remember that incident?....(or maybe the alcohol you consumed then has had an effect of amnesia on your memory faculties...)

You are both right (G.R.F.C. and D.M.B.) - Istanbul and Turkey are safer than many of the places we are familiar with, however the point is - there has been an increase in crime during the past couple of years, in some parts of Istanbul - quite a significant increase. Some of the crime is drug related, and other crimes are also committed by Turks who have learned some bad habits in other countries.

No need for paranoia - but there is no room for complacency either, because the crime stats are up and continuing to rise, whichever way you look at it. Speak to some of the Turkish teachers and they will corroborate this. We are often lulled into a fall sense of security, until the day, we ourselves become the victims of a crime.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you think that a reason for the rise in Crime is related to the Ecevit Amnesty. (When he freed ,I don't know how many, loads of prisoners)
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:13 pm    Post subject: Crime Reply with quote

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Do you think that a reason for the rise in Crime is related to the Ecevit Amnesty. (When he freed ,I don't know how many, loads of prisoners)


That may be a contributor, but the main reason, one feels, is that some of the values of Turkish society (cooperation, family values, neighborhood cooperation) are being diluted in cities like Istanbul, where you have huge numbers of people moving from far away parts of Turkey into the city, and being crammed into crowded living conditions.

This creates tension, and many of the youths end up aping the youths they see in the media (t.v. and films), imitating criminal acts and the like. Go into a Turkish internet place and you will see that 99 percent of the patrons are young men in the 15-30 age group who have nothing better to do all day than to play "war games" on screen. This type of narrow path to entertainment does not help the situation either.

Some of these uneducated youth are unable to distinguish fiction from reality, and have less hesitancy in committing criminal acts.
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Glasgow Rangers FC



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:14 am    Post subject: Boys will be boys in Eskisehir Reply with quote

Ghost, the incident that you refer to was instigated entirely by yours truly. I was to blame. If I hadn't gone looking for trouble then I wouldn't have found it. Guaranteed. Glasgow has learned to calm the jets since then and has had no subsequent violent escapades. By the way, Can't thank you enough for introducing the kickbox school to me. Now that the winter months are here it's my main source of entertainment. Give me a bell the next time you're in town.
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ghost



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:36 pm    Post subject: Eskisehir Reply with quote

G.R.F.C.

So you still like Eski? ghost thought it was a pretty boring place, and the climate is pretty bad in winter, with those muddy streets.....

Is it true that you are the Director of Studies at the school we know about? This is rather ironic, because, you will have admitted yourself, you were never a committed scholar or pedagogue....you seem to have landed a position of great responsibility, and hope the students benefit from your unorthodox methodology. One must confess that one has never met a D.O.S. who subscribes to your unusual philosophy of pedagogy in general......

One supposes that there are compensations for you, and one assumes that a nice "Madame" at the school in question is still looking after you. In any case we wish you luck, and many more Tuborgs (but after class, rather than before....).

It would be interesting to get some insight into the present teacher composition of the school...i.e. how many foreign teachers are there now, what nationalities? Are the same Turkish English teachers there as last year?

Can you explain what happened to our South African Springbok friend, because it seems impossible to garner a straightforward answer on that one? Quite a shame he was not able to stay on, because from what one gathers, he was generally popular with the students, especially the female ones.

Greetings from Montreal, Canada.....
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Glasgow Rangers FC



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:24 pm    Post subject: Madness in Eskisehir Reply with quote

Ghost.

The S.A. boy we know left as a result of falling student numbers within his classes. In the end the students got sick of him. More importantly as far as I'm concerned, he vanished with the iron and heater from the apartment. Weird. As far as the school is concerned, there has been a huge shake up here. Almost all of the Turkish teachers have been replaced and I'm the only yabanci here, wich makes life boring sometimes. And no, I'm not the D.A. Nobody in their right mind would give me a position which I could openly abuse. Suits me as it means more drinking time. I am at a point now where I am seriously thinking of relocating to Bursa. Bigger city, more women and tekel shops etc. Speaking of which......
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:12 pm    Post subject: relocation Reply with quote

G.R.F.C.

Before you relocate, think hard about the advantages you will miss if you go somewhere else.

1. In Eski. you have a "sicak kadin" bayan looking after you and your welfare. You would not get this type of close attention anywhere else.

2. The owner of the school in Eski. tolerates your unorthodox philosophy of pedagogy and education. This would not be the case anywhere else.

From ghost's persective, if G.R.F.C. moves somewhere else, that might entail difficulties, because most schools run a much tighter ship, in comparison with the school you work at in Eski.

In any case, whatever your decision, we wish you luck, many Tuborgs (after class - not before), and keep us posted on what happens.
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Glasgow Rangers FC



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:50 pm    Post subject: Planet Cuckoo Reply with quote

Ghost. The bayan you refer to is no longer working within the school, so thats not what's keeping me here. Unorthodox? Listen pal, I've had a steady stream of students coming here making inquires re. my classes. I bring customers here, plain and simple. All my classes are full and my students have no complaints. Perhaps you have a bee in your bonnet re. your termination of contract? I'm sick and tired of people telling me that the only reason I outlasted the rest of the clowns last year was somebody looking out for me. By the way, what a result against the catholic scumbags. Twice in ten days. Yee haa.
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