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marblez
Joined: 24 Oct 2004 Posts: 248 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:38 am Post subject: For those with English-related degrees |
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What is your minor? |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Not everybody has minors.
I have a double major in English Literature and Music History, but I could have just as easily (actually it would have been a bit easier) have done a four year degree in English Literature alone. I do not have a minor. Instead of using all of my electives in a single area, I have a broad range of courses including environmental science, intedisciplinary fine arts, sociology of prison literature, mythology, and a couple of French courses. Oh, And journalism.
But then, I switched from one university to another part way through and a lot of the electives were mandatory breadth requirements at the first university (one science, two social science, one humanities etc).
I almost have a minor in History from another school later on. Maybe I'll get that as a minor down the road, in my spare time (spare time--- ). |
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carnac
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 310 Location: in my village in Oman ;-)
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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Officially, French Lit. In my own mind, languages. Wanted to understand how they work. "For credit" classes included Latin, Spanish, Middle English. Non-credit Italian, Portuguese, Vietnamese, Breton. Now working on Arabic. Just for myself, I find it helpful in teaching EFL to have learned at least a bit of other languages and try to understand what's happening inside my own head, so I can find ways to help my students with their own language-learning problems. Plus, it's fun. Plus, gives insight into language-learning problems that correlate with cultural distance. Improves empathy. (again, only personally speaking)
I hope very much someday to teach in Japan, whose culture I have admired and studied from afar for many years. Learning Japanese however non-fluently would be a real pleasure for me. In the meantime, trying to conquer Arabic, a very, very subtle and complex language, is a wonderful challenge. My students are helping me every day; we have as much fun with "teacher's" mistakes as with their own in English.
And it makes us more equal. And we all gain face. |
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justcolleen

Joined: 07 Jan 2004 Posts: 654 Location: Egypt, baby!
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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Major: English. One more class and I would have had a math minor. I jumped ship well into my program, moved over to the English & Philosophy building, and immediately felt the love.
Colleen |
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marblez
Joined: 24 Oct 2004 Posts: 248 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'm just curious, I want to get professional teaching certification for my home country and require a major teachable subject or two teachable minors. My current research project is visual aids for ESL learners (as you might guess, it seems to help) and was thinking that a visual arts minor may help. Plus I wouldn't mind being like the profs here and using art teacher status as an excuse for not brushing your hair or wearing clean clothes :p |
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Jetgirly

Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 741
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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I'm one class short of a Business minor. However, my university does not officially award Business minors to Humanities students, so even if I completed that last course it would not have shown up on my diploma. If I were a Social Sciences student (Sociology, Psychology, etc.) and had taken that last course, it would have appeared on my diploma. I opted not to take the last class because it meant I finished university one year early, and I didn't want to stick around for another four months to get one class that wouldn't show up on my diploma. As it stands I can tell potential employers that I've taken classes in accounting, finance, marketing, human resources, IT and business law, and that's good enough for me.
PS- I should also say that there was no pressure for me to have a minor at all, and most students in the English program at my school opted not to pursue that avenue. Our program was really flexible- I never took a course on literary theory and the list of authors that I've avoided reading is amazing (Dickens, Bronte, Joyce, Hemmingway, etc.). On the other hand, limited course selection means I took WAAAAAY too many courses on Canadian lit! |
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Jetgirly

Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 741
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Hahahaha... they censored the name of the author of Great Expectations! |
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Aramas
Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Posts: 874 Location: Slightly left of Centre
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:23 am Post subject: |
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This whole major/minor thing is so terribly inelegant. I much prefer the simplicity of the Oxbridge approach, but it's not widely used and a bit pretentious. I've never actually heard anyone other then an American use 'major' or 'minor' in that context in conversation - hell, they're not even in my Oxford dictionary.
American usage:
I'm doing a BA, majoring in philosophy.
English speaker usage;
I'm doing a BA in philosophy.
Oxbridge usage (archaic?):
I'm reading philosophy.
If someone actually said "What's your major?" to me, the only sensible reply would be "Go away."
As for minors, they're not mentioned either. Students just enroll in their major (note: adj.) stream, then fill up their timetable with scuba diving, morris dancing, pressing wildflowers, or whatever takes their fancy. They're not important. They certainly don't appear on the degree.
And of course, no one ever mentions 'diplomas' unless they're a manicurist or a dog walker
What can I say? I'm bored  |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:55 am Post subject: |
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marblez wrote: |
I'm just curious, I want to get professional teaching certification for my home country and require a major teachable subject or two teachable minors. My current research project is visual aids for ESL learners (as you might guess, it seems to help) and was thinking that a visual arts minor may help. Plus I wouldn't mind being like the profs here and using art teacher status as an excuse for not brushing your hair or wearing clean clothes :p |
You don't mention which province you're in. If you're in Ontario, ESL isn't a 'teachable' (other than in the French school system). English, history, geography, math, French, and science are all teachables. Anything related to the arts (including visual art, drama, and music) are teachables, but they count as electives and not all schools offer them any more, so getting a job is harder. Same goes for foreign languages like German, Italian, Latin, or Spanish. |
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justcolleen

Joined: 07 Jan 2004 Posts: 654 Location: Egypt, baby!
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:15 am Post subject: |
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GambateBingBangBOOM wrote: |
English, history, geography, math, French, and science are all teachables. Anything related to the arts (including visual art, drama, and music) are teachables, but they count as electives and not all schools offer them any more, so getting a job is harder. Same goes for foreign languages like German, Italian, Latin, or Spanish. |
Uh! I just completed my undergraduate studies and I had to learn through the "Intermediate Level" (whatever that means). All liberal arts students must.
Business majors, interestingly enough, don't study another language.
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marblez
Joined: 24 Oct 2004 Posts: 248 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:18 am Post subject: |
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GambateBingBangBOOM:
I'm in British Columbia, and ESL is considered a teachable subject. There are quite a few jobs available within the lower mainland for public high schools. Visual arts are offered in nearly every school here and is mandatory until grade 11.
Aramas:
The technical term is required to apply to the teaching certification program here. "I'm reading mathematics" would gather me a poor response to my application. Declaring a mathematics minor with 30 credits would allow me to teach in a public high school. |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:48 am Post subject: Re: For those with English-related degrees |
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marblez wrote: |
What is your minor? |
Psychology
Has come in handy with all of the fruity students and teachers I've come across. |
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Jetgirly

Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 741
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:52 am Post subject: |
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I graduated from a BC high school in 2001 and visual arts was definitely not a required subject. My brother is currently in Grade 12 at a BC high school and he is not required to take visual arts either. I believe the term you're looking for is Fine Arts, which includes visual arts, drama, choir, band, sewing, etc. In the old curriculum students had to take one FA course in Grade 9-10 and one in Grade 11-12, but I believe the system has changed and now they are only mandatory in 9-10, whereas in 11-12 students are given the option of taking either a FA course or an Applied Skill course (AS courses being woodworking, metalworking, cooking, info tech, etc).
The high school I went to employed several FA teachers who did not have teaching certification. Their employment histories and pratical skills apparently made them better candidates than their "teacher" counterparts. This was most prevalent in the drama and musical theatre departments. |
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marblez
Joined: 24 Oct 2004 Posts: 248 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Well I don't mean required as equivalent to English 12, but that either an applied skill/art is required to graduate. Most opt for the art class. There's art 8 , 9, 10, 11, 11 Photography, 12, 12AP, 12 Studio... lots available I'm also considering math too |
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Sheep-Goats
Joined: 16 Apr 2004 Posts: 527
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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My college did not allow for minor study. Double majors were possible, but no one had ever completed one due to the sheer amount of work that was necessary for a single major.
Math would certainly be the most useful one as far as teaching abroad goes... |
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