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sidjameson
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 Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:53 am Post subject: Grammar question |
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Apart from this sentence can I write another?
Except this sentence can I write another?
I told my student that the 1st sentence is correct because it is inclusive, but the second one is not natural because "except" is not inclusive and so it is a bit vague.
Except sushi I like okonomiyaki. Its meaning is confusing right? does the writer like sushi or not? I know it's a odd sentence but it;s one my students may say.
Apart from sushi I like okonomiyaki. The writer likes both right?
My grammar is forever shaky so just checking and am waiting to hear I am wrong.  |
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killthebuddha
Joined: 06 Jul 2010
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Location: Assigned to the Imperial Gourd
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: Grammar question |
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| sidjameson wrote: |
Apart from this sentence can I write another?
Except this sentence can I write another?
I told my student that the 1st sentence is correct because it is inclusive, but the second one is not natural because "except" is not inclusive and so it is a bit vague.
My grammar is forever shaky so just checking and am waiting to hear I am wrong. |
Yes sidjameson,
But better constructions are:
"Other than this sentence can I write another?"
"Besides this sentence can I write another?"
However, simply saying "Can I write another sentence?" is best, because ANOTHER is your "inclusive" "tag"; as the adjective it tells us that there are other (alternative) sentences considered.
For a more grammatical treatment of introductory clauses, phrases and words in general, see
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/607/03/
--ktb
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johnslat
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Dear sidjameson,
"Apart from sushi, I like okonomiyaki. The writer likes both right?"
Not by my reading. The sentence is awkward to being with, but the meaning seems to be that the writer/speaker likes okonomiyaki but not sushi.
If you want a sentence that means he/she likes both, then there are these:
In addition to okonomiyaki, I like sushi.
Along with okonomiyaki, I like sushi
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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My question to the student would be: "Do you like Hiroshima-style Okonomiyaki or Osaka-style Okonomiyaki?"
If the answer is "Hiroshima-style", I would reject him as a student and ban him from visiting me again... 
NCTBA |
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