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[sweetpea]

I am here with a valid work permit, which expires in August 2005. In the meantime, I have changed jobs and am confused as to how to go about getting a new Residency Permit issued. Has anyone been through this process before? If so, what did you do? The administration of the new school (as well as the local police) seem to be in confusion as to the proper procedure. So, my fellow yabancilar... what did you do?

thanks

[vre]

my place did it all for me. I just had to surrender it for a week plus passport and it was done. Your new place should really do it or take you to do it.

[ghost]

Your new school should take you to the office where foreigners register for the work permit.

Make sure everything is done the right way.

A South African national who had changed schools from Kayseri to Eskisehir was promised by his new school in Eski. that the paper work had been ``taken care of.``

At the end of April, 2004, the poor South African was fired from the school, and then found out that he had been working at the school illegally the whole time, despite what the admin. of the new school had promised!

This caused the unfortunate springbok big problems when he tried to leave the country.....it could have ended with huge fines and/or a jail sentence.

So, make sure you know for sure that the proper documentation has been processed when you work in a new school. Some dishonest school owners will lie to you, but do nothing, because processing the papers is a time consuming and somewhat costly affair.

If you are not sure you have the proper papers, ask a trusted Turkish friend to take you to the `yabanci office` with all the relevant documentation (new school contract, etc...) and then it should be done. You do not need approval from Ankara, if you have already gone through with that for your first work papers permit.

[englishindian]

Hi folks, just wanted to add my two cents to the "butun hesap".

I also happened to work in a nice dersani in Eskisehir, Western Turkey, for a year. I came to Turkey with a work permit in 2002 and was promptly registered at the local police station. I was holding a a vaild work and residency permit till 2004. I switched schools in mid 2003 to move to Istanbul to enroll for the DELTA programme at ITI. The DELTA was part time one and required me to be in IST for 8 months. It is then that my nightmare ordeal with distant and evasive dersani owners began.

Depsite my repeated reminders to extend my work permit and transfer my still valid residence permit to IST, the new school owners of a major school in Bakirkoy just kept putting it off, saying it could be done later. Finally in disgust I resigned and started work in the new Bakirkoy branch of plusher school, headquarted in Etiler.

It was only when the new school went to register me that they discovered that I had never been registered in IST. The new school graciously offered me the prospect of staying and working for them till they were able to reprocess a new work permit. But rather than stay and work illegally, I chose to quit and leave the country.

At immigration counter in Atturk airport, I was stopped by the immigration officer and politely told that there had been a mistake as it appeared that I was technically not supposed to be in the country. My old ikamet ceased to be valid when I resigned from the dersani in Eskisehir. I was made to pay a fine in Euros and requested to apply for a tourist visa before I returned to Turkey as the old residency permit was no longer valid. I guess that it may have helped that I spoke Turkish and wore a very nice suit.

PLEASE TAKE THAT A BIT SERIOUSLY AS A CERTAIN AMERICAN TELFer POSTED A MESSAGE SAYING THAT SHE WAS DEPORTED TO GREECE DIRECTLY FROM THE AIRPORT, EVEN THOUGH AMERICAN CITIZENS ALSO HAVE A VISA ON ARRIVAL STATUS. It seemed that she was guilty of the same offence earlier and it was noted down on the immigration records. I have also read earlier posts of some TEFlers being banned for 9 and 5 years respectively. So look it up please. The Turks are getting their act togther, pre EU accession, and clamping down on the happy community of tourist visa TEFlers.

Now I am working for IH in Tiflis, Georgia, while a new Turkish work permit is being processed for me. TEFLing is an adventure and and also a responsibilty..so let us ensure that minimum standards are met and we are protected from abuse from unscrupulous school owners in every country.


Hadi hoscaklin... kendine iyi bakin .. tekrar gurosuruz

[ghost]

[yaramaz]

I have finally, successfully transferred my papers from one school to the next. It was an odd and disconcerting adventure to say the least.

When I finished my contract in Kayseri, my new school here in Istanbul asked me for copies of degree, diploma, ikamet, and passport, as well as a paper from my school stating my work record there (hizmet something or other). I sent these in May or June and promised to send the original copies of passport and ikamet after I got back to Canada for the summer. The theory was that Ankara would process everything over the summer and I'd be legal again come September when I would return. Alas no. Transferring between Turkish cities is too complex for the new folksat the work permit place and I was told it would take 2 or three more months and I must enter on a tourist visa. However, that said, I would still be legal to work... but I wouldnt be a resident with an ikamet immediately. All very confusing.

Anyway, the papers came through last week and everything is just hunky dory as they predicted. The thing to remember about the South African guy (that's leather pants man to all you out there) is that he was fired by the first school over the summer holidays and so never got the hizmet paper. Without that you CANT transfer your files from one school to the next one. You have to start the application process from home again. His ikamet from the first year was the same as mine because we worked together and expired in september when he went to the new school. I'm not sure I understand how he thought it was all taken care of if the ikamet itself was not renewed. I thought he was working on multiple 3 month tourist visas.

[ghost]

Springbok guy was told by his new school in Eski. "that all was in order" and that his paperwork was "being taken care of." It appears that this was not true, because nothing was done. The school should have told him, at least, that he was on a tourist visa and should leave the country every three months to get a new stamp....that was not done. So the blame rests with the new school for this act of underhand deception. South African guy - being a trustful upfront guy, believed everything the new school told him, as most people would do.

It was therefore not the fault of the springbok that he got into trouble at the end. He had not been forewarned!

On a happy note, the South African is now on a two year British visa, living in London, and earning a very decent salary of 500 pounds (British) per week, after taxes....His job? He watches D.V.D. new releases and then writes reports and recommendations about what he saw....sounds like a pretty good way to earn your money.....of course Springbok had, ironically, had plenty of practice honing his skills as a "film expert" during the past three years, during his teaching stints in Pusan (Korea), Kayseri (Turkey), and Eskisehir (Turkey). Springbok told one that in Korea he watched up to three D.V.D. films a day, which is a sad commentary on the social life possibilities around him. In Eski. it was pretty much the same picture. Kayseri was also the same, but somewhat less, because he had the diversion of characters like Yaramaz around him.

We all wish him well, especially Yaramaz, who will no doubt be in touch with the springbok hulk in the near future. If you need his cell phone number, Yaramaz, feel free to send a personal message to the ghost box.

[the pusherman]

having read about englishindian's travails and problems with getting a visa i would like to commiserate with him as well as congratulate him for being so scrupulously fair in his comments (I was also party to the later stages of this process). Good luck in Tbilisi, englishindian, and regards from istanbul (your last school).

[yaramaz]

Ghost said

[dmb]

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