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dmb



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 1:36 am    Post subject: Arafat Reply with quote

Did you know that when he was flown from Paris he was wearing a Rangers top, Newcastle shorts and Spurs socks? Why?
He wanted to be burried in the Gazza Strip Very Happy
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GeminiTiger



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manhumping cartoons, racist cartoons and now insulting the newly dead.

You are a particularly discouraging human being.
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dmb



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GeminiTiger wrote:
You are a particularly discouraging human being.

No. We just have a different sense of humour. Chill out dude.
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Roger



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arafat the man certainly was a most intriguing man! I always admired him for his uncanny, wily manoeuvres in eluding Mossad agents. He is a leader with whom the majority of Palestinians can identify; this says a lot about him although it also says a lot that's negative, about his followers.
After all, Yassir Arafat initiated aeroplane hijackings and day light assassinations. Only when his PLO was finally admitted to the UNO, and when states began recognising him as a state leader did he moderate his actions. But then again, his foes were not much better - certainly not Menahem Begin, of 'Stern' brigade notoriety.

Arafat was a leader because of his qualities, including his moral fibre that precluded him from womanising. He married his current wife, who is but half as old as himself, only some 15 years or so ago.

On the other hand, under Yassir arafat the Palestinians were victimised too. His authorities are notorious for sucking the blood out of every citizen. Corruption has reached new levels. This is substantiated by the posh lifestyle of his wife in Paris, and by numerous stories emanating from Ramallah and Gaza.
Let's not condemn the man, and let's not wax too lyrical either: he was a typical polticial leader, albeit one that enjoyed near-100% support on his home turf!
Interestingly, he was born into a rather wealthy expat family; he cultivated the image of himself as a "true Palestinian" born in Jerusalem of all places - a clear lie! He was born in Cairo!
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Roger



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arafat the man certainly was a most intriguing man! I always admired him for his uncanny, wily manoeuvres in eluding Mossad agents. He is a leader with whom the majority of Palestinians can identify; this says a lot about him although it also says a lot that's negative, about his followers.
After all, Yassir Arafat initiated aeroplane hijackings and day light assassinations. Only when his PLO was finally admitted to the UNO, and when states began recognising him as a state leader did he moderate his actions. But then again, his foes were not much better - certainly not Menahem Begin, of 'Stern' brigade notoriety.

Arafat was a leader because of his qualities, including his moral fibre that precluded him from womanising. He married his current wife, who is but half as old as himself, only some 15 years or so ago.

On the other hand, under Yassir arafat the Palestinians were victimised too. His authorities are notorious for sucking the blood out of every citizen. Corruption has reached new levels. This is substantiated by the posh lifestyle of his wife in Paris, and by numerous stories emanating from Ramallah and Gaza.
Let's not condemn the man, and let's not wax too lyrical either: he was a typical polticial leader, albeit one that enjoyed near-100% support on his home turf!
Interestingly, he was born into a rather wealthy expat family; he cultivated the image of himself as a "true Palestinian" born in Jerusalem of all places - a clear lie! He was born in Cairo!
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Roger



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arafat the man certainly was a most intriguing man! I always admired him for his uncanny, wily manoeuvres in eluding Mossad agents. He is a leader with whom the majority of Palestinians can identify; this says a lot about him although it also says a lot that's negative, about his followers.
After all, Yassir Arafat initiated aeroplane hijackings and day light assassinations. Only when his PLO was finally admitted to the UNO, and when states began recognising him as a state leader did he moderate his actions. But then again, his foes were not much better - certainly not Menahem Begin, of 'Stern' brigade notoriety.

Arafat was a leader because of his qualities, including his moral fibre that precluded him from womanising. He married his current wife, who is but half as old as himself, only some 15 years or so ago.

On the other hand, under Yassir arafat the Palestinians were victimised too. His authorities are notorious for sucking the blood out of every citizen. Corruption has reached new levels. This is substantiated by the posh lifestyle of his wife in Paris, and by numerous stories emanating from Ramallah and Gaza.
Let's not condemn the man, and let's not wax too lyrical either: he was a typical polticial leader, albeit one that enjoyed near-100% support on his home turf!
Interestingly, he was born into a rather wealthy expat family; he cultivated the image of himself as a "true Palestinian" born in Jerusalem of all places - a clear lie! He was born in Cairo!
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Roger



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arafat the man certainly was a most intriguing man! I always admired him for his uncanny, wily manoeuvres in eluding Mossad agents. He is a leader with whom the majority of Palestinians can identify; this says a lot about him although it also says a lot that's negative, about his followers.
After all, Yassir Arafat initiated aeroplane hijackings and day light assassinations. Only when his PLO was finally admitted to the UNO, and when states began recognising him as a state leader did he moderate his actions. But then again, his foes were not much better - certainly not Menahem Begin, of 'Stern' brigade notoriety.

Arafat was a leader because of his qualities, including his moral fibre that precluded him from womanising. He married his current wife, who is but half as old as himself, only some 15 years or so ago.

On the other hand, under Yassir arafat the Palestinians were victimised too. His authorities are notorious for sucking the blood out of every citizen. Corruption has reached new levels. This is substantiated by the posh lifestyle of his wife in Paris, and by numerous stories emanating from Ramallah and Gaza.
Let's not condemn the man, and let's not wax too lyrical either: he was a typical polticial leader, albeit one that enjoyed near-100% support on his home turf!
Interestingly, he was born into a rather wealthy expat family; he cultivated the image of himself as a "true Palestinian" born in Jerusalem of all places - a clear lie! He was born in Cairo!
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have to say, Arafat is not someone I will miss. He was a master at deception and manipulating the media. Personally I think he did more harm than good for the Palestinians. Should be interesting to see what happens now.

Gee Roger, you should know how to use the edit button by now. Wink 4 posts on Arafat is a bit much.
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Chris_Crossley



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 2:26 pm    Post subject: No difference Reply with quote

Gordon wrote:
Have to say, Arafat is not someone I will miss. He was a master at deception and manipulating the media. Personally I think he did more harm than good for the Palestinians. Should be interesting to see what happens now.


Substitute "Bush" for Arafat and "the entire world" for "Palestinians". See the difference?
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Hector_Lector



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having met the chap and experienced his wonderful sense of humour, I think he would have enjoyed the Gazza joke.

He was a marvellous person, and no-one can replace him.

And, Gordon, no-one will miss you, ever.
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mehrlin26



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In response to the last post, Y'ouch!

Anyway, back to Arafat. He was a pretty frustrating man in many ways. Did he do more harm than good for his people? I'm not really sure. He did provide them with the foundations of something which, as compromised as they are, could become a Palestinian state. Unfortunately, he was a guerilla leader with a chieftain's heart and it became clear in the last ten years or so that the skills (and the will) to build a modern democracy were not in him. The United States and the Israeli government which had plenty of (many would say good) cause to hate him were probably wrong to marginalize him though, if only because everyone else in that place was either even more fanatical than he was or ineffectual. In conclusion (and confusion), his death might bring about a positive shift in the atmosphere of the place. But the Holy Land always did confound optimists.
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British



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now I will have my say "Its a shame he died" Sad
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Cardinal Synn



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I got an email from Arafat's wife yesterday(as you do), offering to transfer his millions into my bank account. I really believe it's from her and not some 419 advance fee fraud scammer in Nigeria or wherever.
Doesn't take them long!
If you are sick of scam emails arriving in your inbox have a look at this web site


www.419eater.com

It's worth a look. Very, very funny.
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Teacher in Rome



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HL - you're lucky to have met him.

When I first went to Palestine in 1987, showing a flag of Palestine was punishable by a prison sentence. Palestinians would wear a pendant of the flag on necklaces - and one person I knew even had a large poster of the flag hidden behind her kitchen door. To every Palestinian I met, "Abu Ammar" was their hope, that one day they would be entitled to show their flag and enjoy some form of statehood. To dismiss Arafat as a terrorist or a peace-wrecker is to miss the point, in my opinion. In the 1970s and 1980s, there was no other figure who represented the millions of dispossessed Palestian people. The fact that he survived countless assassination attempts also added to his reputation as a fearless fighter for Palestinians' human rights.
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Boy Wonder



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it's true that no-one can replace him........
Yusuf Islam(Cat Stevens) is my nomination.

Dmb ....rollicking good joke.....
Why should Arafat escape the humour...
The fair and Lovely Princess Di came in for loads of post death jokes.....

And she was a true ambassador for peace
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