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mrlg
Joined: 14 Nov 2004 Posts: 10
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:09 pm Post subject: Questions for all the experts to take a look at |
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Hi guys,
I have a few questions some of which I'm sure already have been answered here at this forum. Nevertheless, here goes:
1. I am thinking of taking a TEFL course (online course) at http://www.teflonline.net
Are they for real or are they just out to empty my pocket?
2. I have a masters degree with a major in English and I've been teaching at a high school where I live for a couple of years now. Do I even need a TEFL?
3. I'm from a scandinavian country. I speak 100% fluent English with a very neutral accent. Most English speaking people I've met say my English is absolutely perfect.
Will it cause me problems that I'm not a NATIVE English speaker?
4. Based on my background, what can I expect to be paid over there in general?
5. Are there any good jobs teaching kids? Kids meaning kids, not wild teenagers.
6. What about giving private lessons to people? What's the best way to go if one wants to get say 5-6 students a week? How much can I charge them, generally speaking? Will I have any problems with the government/police?
7. How much will a decent life cost me? I've been numerious times to Thailand but I guess Thailand is Thailand and China is China. With a decent life I mean a decent place to stay (not a hotel but an apartment where I can actually have a private life) eat out 3-4 times a week, enjoy a few good beers, catch a movie, buy some DVD's, smokes, rent a motorbike etc. 200 $ ? 400 $? 500$ ?
8. Since the U.S dollar is dropping by the day and is considered quite a worthles currency in Europe at the moment I'm curious to know if China is like most other asian countries, that is $$$ is still considered to be almost like a god to them? If the price for whatever thing was 5$ a year ago is it 8$ now or are the prices pretty much left untouched?
9. How hard or easy is it opening up your very own bank account over there? How do most of you get paid? Cash, check, black money or directly to a bank account?
10. For me it's very easy getting a visa to China, but generally speaking is it easy to extend it?
11. What kind of documents do I need when applying for a job? Will they even bother with papers, I mean hand on heart you can buy a doctors degree in just about any city in asia for a few dollars and who the hell is gonna spend time calling your former employees? Or?
I'm asking because although I truly have a masters degree and I am working as a teacher rightn ow and have been for a couple of years all my letters of recommendation are written in my home language. It would be a pain in the ass making calls trying to get all papers translated before I come.
12. What's the people really like? All out to get my cash some say, others say they are very nice. Like the thai people or?
Thanks!
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:48 am Post subject: |
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At the risk of sounding "uptight" as that misanthropist put it in a PM to me recently, I am repeating here that you should get a sponsored job.
Once you have that mot questions you posed will take care of themselves.
Scandinavians don't need to be afraid of not being "native" speakers, whatever that means. Their pronunciation is widely admired.
But it is a problem with some hirers who go strictly by the book. You will still find a job if you persevere.
I don't know if you need that TEFL cert.
The U.S.$ (assuming that's the currency you were talking about) is not regarded as a "God" here. The RMB is, and the HK$ is highly appreciated, as are all major foreign currencies. Unfortunately, the RMB is pegged to the American dollar, which means you are losing out right now if you hail from a U.S.$ jurisdiction, but as a Scandinavian you don't. The euro, on the other hand, is getting more expensive bythe day - you get so many fewer every time your payday comes up.
As said in my first sentence, get a decent and regular job; if you can spare some of your time to do private lessons you will find self-paying students. Forget about renting a flat on your own - in most towns impossible, in big cities it is feasible though not always legal.
An employer will obtain your work visa. Without a work visa, youcan't get a FE certificate, and without that you cannot buy foreign currency from a CHinese bank. |
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goeastyoung(ish)man!

Joined: 09 Jun 2003 Posts: 139 Location: back in US
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:06 am Post subject: Re: Questions for all the experts to take a look at |
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mrlg wrote: |
Hi guys,
I have a few questions some of which I'm sure already have been answered here at this forum. Nevertheless, here goes:
1. I am thinking of taking a TEFL course (online course) at http://www.teflonline.net
Are they for real or are they just out to empty my pocket?
Though not always necessary for China, I found my course to be very valuable, especially since I had no previous teaching experience.
2. I have a masters degree with a major in English and I've been teaching at a high school where I live for a couple of years now. Do I even need a TEFL?
It may help you overcome any reluctance to hire you since you are not a native speaker.
3. I'm from a scandinavian country. I speak 100% fluent English with a very neutral accent. Most English speaking people I've met say my English is absolutely perfect.
Will it cause me problems that I'm not a NATIVE English speaker?
Probably not if you have the opportunity to interview by phone or in person. They are more concerned that you look like a native speaker.
4. Based on my background, what can I expect to be paid over there in general?
With a masters, you should not listen to anything less than 5000 RMB for a fairly light work load. Universities usually pay less than that but for fewer hours (14-16 teaching hours)and you can easily earn several thousand RMB more by doing overtime or finding outside work.
5. Are there any good jobs teaching kids? Kids meaning kids, not wild teenagers.
dunno
6. What about giving private lessons to people? What's the best way to go if one wants to get say 5-6 students a week? How much can I charge them, generally speaking? Will I have any problems with the government/police?
Don't charge less than 100 RMB per hour, and charge more in the largest cities. If you find students through the school, you will have fewer problems. Technically it is illegal, but many do it.
7. How much will a decent life cost me? I've been numerious times to Thailand but I guess Thailand is Thailand and China is China. With a decent life I mean a decent place to stay (not a hotel but an apartment where I can actually have a private life) eat out 3-4 times a week, enjoy a few good beers, catch a movie, buy some DVD's, smokes, rent a motorbike etc. 200 $ ? 400 $? 500$ ?
Your school is normally required to find you a place to stay: either on-campus or off-campus in an apartment or hotel which has been approved by the government to house foreigners. This should be IN ADDITION to your pay, or else your pay should be increased by 1000-2000 or even more in Shanghai. Finding a western type bar can be a problem in many areas, but they exist. Beer is cheap, especially at the store or at many Chinese restaurants (3-10 RMB). Movies are all in Chinese as far as I know. DVDs cost about 1/2 euro (may be pirated ) Don't know smokes, motorbike (probably no more dangerous than downtown Rome).
8. Since the U.S dollar is dropping by the day and is considered quite a worthles currency in Europe at the moment I'm curious to know if China is like most other asian countries, that is $$$ is still considered to be almost like a god to them? If the price for whatever thing was 5$ a year ago is it 8$ now or are the prices pretty much left untouched?
If you have euros saved, you can live like a king. If not your pay should more than cover day to day living and provide for some travel, even a little savings if you are especially frugal. There has been some inflation but not ridiculous.
9. How hard or easy is it opening up your very own bank account over there? How do most of you get paid? Cash, check, black money or directly to a bank account?
Bring an interpreter to the bank with you, with your FOREIGN EXPERT certificate (red book) it is otherwise no problem. Some schools pay direct but I think most hand you cash.
10. For me it's very easy getting a visa to China, but generally speaking is it easy to extend it?
If you come to China on a tourist visa you need to have it changed to a work (z) visa. You also need to acquire a RESIDENT PERMIT (green book). Many schools will have you work without them, but you are the responsible party as far as the gong an (PSB) is concerned and are liable to be tossed out after paying a fine. Find a school that will sponsor your proper papers.
11. What kind of documents do I need when applying for a job? Will they even bother with papers, I mean hand on heart you can buy a doctors degree in just about any city in asia for a few dollars and who the hell is gonna spend time calling your former employees? Or?
I'm asking because although I truly have a masters degree and I am working as a teacher rightn ow and have been for a couple of years all my letters of recommendation are written in my home language. It would be a pain in the ass making calls trying to get all papers translated before I come.
Some schools want the real documents and really want to see your letters of recommendations, others will gladly take the dodgy fakes. Since you are a real teacher, I think you would be happier with the schools that are more careful about you. That is, they may at least make the effort to teach English as opposed to just collect money from students.
12. What's the people really like? All out to get my cash some say, others say they are very nice. Like the thai people or?
Never been to Thailand. Go to a Chinese restaurant and ask questions!
Thanks!
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