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once again · Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 815

I am little old in the tooth to understand what Hip Hop means. Is it just a form of music or is it also the name for a type of dance?

The G-stringed Avenger · Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:57 am Post subject:

Speaking as a fan, hip-hop is more than just a form of music - it's a whole lifestyle, incorporating dance, its own language, clothing and even way of acting. Know Puff Daddy? He's a living embodiment. The baggy clothes, flashy jewelry, strutting walk and pose, his speech ("I gots cheese in the West In-dies" etc.) and his dancing - pure hip-hop. I get into it only as far as the music though, the clothes aren't really my style. And saying "Watup, gangsta?" sounds ridiculous in an Australian accent.

Aramas · Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:11 am Post subject:

Imagine a bunch of illiterate morons bragging to cheesy dance music and you'll get the general idea. Hip hop is anti-trance. Where trance songs are uplifting, trancendent, egoless hymns for the 21st century, hip hop is truly pathetic, embarrassingly egomaniacal drivel. Last time the DJ at my favourite club decided to have a hip hop night I left and didn't go back for six months. It was that bad. Apparently he hasn't done it since.

If you want to look stupid, sound stupid and be stupid, hip hop should be perfect for you Smile

benno · Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 501 Location: Fake Mongolia

[quote="The G-stringed Avenger"] Know Puff Daddy? He's a living embodiment. quote]

so what you are saying then is that its shi te? Very Happy

puff daddy, he is really cool Embarassed

sorry meant to say shit

dmb · Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397

Puff Daddy? If you want decent hip hop then you you've got to look at old school. He is nothing compared to NWA, PE, Ice-T, etc

lagerlout2006 · Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 985

Have another puff.......................................daddy. Wink

Or a puff of daddio?

benno · Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 501 Location: Fake Mongolia

where i am from P-Diddy is what you would call someone who is a
w anker
true : Smile

Sadken · Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 341

Puff Daddy is criminally underrated (as a producer) in my book but that is a totally different story.

Hip Hop is THE dominant music and culture of the last 10-15 years. I can go on and on (till the break of dawn) about it.

For the best in old hip hop have a look at NWA, Public Enemy, early LL Cool J, Run DMC and Africa Bambaata. For the best of the 90's, have a look at Snoop, Dre, early Cypress Hill, Pete Rock and CL Smooth, Organised Konfusion I really could go on.

At the moment the stuff I am enjoying the most is Devin the Dude, MF Doom (in all guises), Dizzee Rascal, Buck 65, Jehst, Braintax, Skinnyman, Klashnekoff, Mystro, the nextmen, beans, Dead Prez........

anthyp · Joined: 16 Apr 2004 Posts: 1320 Location: Chicago, IL USA

I am with Sadken and the Avenger -- hip hop is the most relevant form of music today.

They give you some very fine suggestions to start with, but modern hip hop doesn't really sound anything like the "gangsta rap" of NWA et al. I actually think Run - DMC and Grandmaster Flash sound a little repetitive (how many verses to a song can you have?), but they started it all.

For modern hip hop, you can't go wrong with Eminem. It's easy to overlook him if you've never bothered listening to any of his albums, but man, the guy has talent. And Jay - Z is truly gifted. They sell a billion records for a reason, folks.

Those willing to dismiss their music as garbage probably haven't bothered to listen to any of it. I know, your stale rock / trance (do people actually listen to that anymore? How many?) is a lot easier to grasp. Hey at least you don't have to dance to it, you can just sort of sit there pretending it's "deep."

And yes, it is more than a style of music; it encompasses an entire lifestyle. It's about having fun and making love, enjoying life while you can. Not being a dick like some of the scrubs on this forum.

Oh, you don't "get" it, eh? That's OK, we'll have fun dancing without you. Trust us, you'll hardly be missed.

benno · Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 501 Location: Fake Mongolia

Aramas · Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:50 am Post subject:

lol - Hip Hop is totally irrelevent outside the US. It's packaged and marketed in exactly the same way as Brittney Spears - disposable pop for the undiscerning.

If anyone wants to check out the hip hop 'lifestyle' (gag) then pick up the movie 'Honey', a fine example of cutting-edge cringe-theatre. As hot as Jessica Alba is, I dare you to try and sit through the whole thing. Hip hop proponents are compelling arguments in favour of retrospective abortion.

The G-stringed Avenger · Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:17 am Post subject:

Ease up, squealers!

I didn't say I was a fan of Puff Daddy - just that when you look at him, you see the whole hip-hop lifestyle embodied in one person. Personally, my tastes run more towards Eminem, Biggie Smalls, NWA, Snoop and the rest of the West Coast set. Puffy is definitely a show-off and he's not very good at rapping, but he's still all about hip-hop.

Rap and hip-hop are the same thing. Beat poetry. Rhymes over a heavy beat.

Aramas - what's your problem? Bag hip-hop - fine. Bag those who listen to it - not on. I don't bag you for listening to trance. I personally hate the stuff, don't even think it's music, but if you want to listen to it, that's your choice and I'm not going to slander you for it.

And why do you think rappers are illiterate?

While a lot of the newer rap is quite generic in its subject matter (listen to anything by Murder Inc.) there is the occasional bright star who really sounds different and raps about stuff that makes you think. When was the last time you heard any thought-provoking techno? Do the "musicians" sitting at their computers churning out techno have any deep thoughts in their heads? Possibly, but they ain't expressed through their music.

If you think hip-hop is only relevant inside America - think again. Rap is a popular form of music around the world - hell, people even rap in Korean, Japanese and Arabic! It doesn't all sound good, but then, does any form of music consistently produce quality sounds?

Listen to Eminem sometime, listen to him rap about America's many social ills, then tell me that hip-hop is not a relevant form of music today.

once again · Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 815

That clears things up nicely then Laughing

Thanks guys!

Aramas · Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 3:18 am Post subject:

That's my point exactly. Of what relevence are 'America's many social ills' to anyone who is not American? Hip hop, r&b and cheesecake pop are like dust in the wind. They briefly settle on the surface of other cultures before being blown away. Transient toxicity. Unfortunately there's a seemingly infinite supply.

Evidence of 'hip hop culture' in other countries is no more indicitive of a lasting influence on their cultures than any other pop-culture fashion. The questionable taste of a few impressionable youths hardly screams 'cultural relevence'. You'll find skinheads and goths in every major city of the world. So what?

It's difficult to explain to an American why some people find the flagrant egotism displayed in hip hop so offensive. To us 'foreigners', it's somewhat like taking out one's private parts in public and waving them around - it's offensive and distasteful on so many levels. Admittedly, one could say the same of the annexation of Afghanistan and Iraq, and the continuing mass-murder, torture and repression of their citizens. We foreigners are just as incapable of seeing through American eyes as Americans are incapable of seeing any other way.

Ariadne · Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 960

So now that hip hop has been explained, would anyone care to tell me what 'trance' is?

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