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Hyphen-experts. (Grammar question.)

 
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lagerlout2006



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:12 pm    Post subject: Hyphen-experts. (Grammar question.) Reply with quote

Is there an official rule about the usage of hyphens? I was having an ice-cold beer and giving this the once-over.

Is it all just a matter of taste when to use them or are there actually rules?

Is there a rule-book in a do-or-die situation about when to use the humble hyphen.

Grammar- persons please do tell. Wink

PS : Or should I say grammar-goons or grammar-louts! No this is not a flippant post.
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Tamara



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill Walsh has some advise in Lapsing into a Comma, but it's all from a copy editor's point of view. I don't have the book with me right now, so I can't refer to his advise on hyphens. I'll look it up when I get a chance, if you're interested. Smile
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lagerlout2006



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes-color me interested.
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joshua2004



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will give my two cents until someone can better explain it. You use a hypen when its two or more words that belong like they should be said together. Examples: hour-long birthday candle. Without the hypen, that could read as an hour birthday candle that is long.
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a web site that has a rather comprehensive set of hyphen rules:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphen_%28punctuation%29 .
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rules there are fairly comprehensinve, and the Economist link on that page gives more examples.

One thing to remember iis that the use of the hyphen is not static. Ther is a tendency for a term to develop from two separate words, to a hyphenated ttransient form, and then to one word. Waslh may rail against email instead of e-mail but I reckon he's fighting a losing battle.
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Joe Gahona



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hyphenating adjectives is pretty easy to figure out, but it gets a little trickier when the adjective comes after what it's describing. If a static verb is used, I think it's generally better to hyphenate. ("He is ill-informed" not "He is ill informed.")

And even the most constipated copy editor will allow for some exceptions, such as "high school student" and "ice cream cone."
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Tamara



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good! I'm glad you're familiar with Walsh's expositions. I looked in the appendix and the list is daunting to try to replicate.

But, here goes, just for the fun of writing it down. If you ink it, you think it! From Lapsing into a Comma, Bill Walsh:

Quote:
Verb-plus-preposition compound nouns must either be solid or hyphenated.

Compound verbs should be hyphenated:

Holyfield head-butted his opponent.

Compound modifiers generally must be hyphenated:

home-field victory

It's okay to be a hyphenated American.

Hyphen should not be used to link adverbs to the words they modify, even when the two words make up a compound modifier.

An easily led group.

With -Anti

Walsh generally recommends using the hyphen, except in cases where the word has become accepted, as in antiperspirant. He admits to parting with usage guides here.

With -free


Always use the hyphen: The fat-free frozen yogurt is also sugar-free.



Not that my overly-simplified summary does justice to the way he presents it. This book revolutionized the way I look at hyphens, but I'll always have to check back and edit. I'm not the type to memorize such rules. Alas, some day I'll have to return this book to my colleague, and what will I do then? Laughing
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