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observer
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 Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:27 pm Post subject: Top 10 eikaiwa in Osaka/Japan |
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What are the top 5-10 eikaiwa in Osaka/Japan?
How are Eikaiwa rated? |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Top 10 eikaiwa in Osaka/Japan |
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| observer wrote: |
What are the top 5-10 eikaiwa in Osaka/Japan?
How are Eikaiwa rated? |
What are your judgement criteria for rating them? Pay? ambience? holidays? accomodation? amount of overtime? Pretty secretaries?
No one as far as I know is keeping score, except people working at one or two language schools making subjective and biased assessments on bulletin boards.
Whats your idea of 'best' and 'worst' in a school, because no one school has them all. |
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bearcat
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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Top 10 from the standpoint of teachers? Japanese staff? Customers? Money? Curriculum? etc etc etc
Your request is flawed and skewed before it would even hit a tallying. |
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king kakipi
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| ..............they are all equal 10th............ |
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observer
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:00 am Post subject: sorry, bad question indeed |
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Didn't put too much thought into it, was just wondering if there are any official ranking systems out there...you know, like schools in England have (their all bloody important) rankings, The states are always producing stats for something. Is there some guide out there for eikaiwa?
What are J students looking for in eikaiwa...has anyone surveyed or have any evidence there (as opposed to gut feeling!)? |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:48 am Post subject: Re: sorry, bad question indeed |
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| observer wrote: |
Didn't put too much thought into it, was just wondering if there are any official ranking systems out there...you know, like schools in England have (their all bloody important) rankings, The states are always producing stats for something. Is there some guide out there for eikaiwa?
What are J students looking for in eikaiwa...has anyone surveyed or have any evidence there (as opposed to gut feeling!)? |
Closest one I have seen is this one, which researched professionalism in conversation schools which asked not only the teachers but the Japanese owners re. what they expected of their teachers.
http://www.eltnews.com/features/special/2004_01_2a.shtml
When you talk about rankings you are probably referring to established regular educational institutions e.g. high schools and universities who mostly have standards and are popular depending on the courses they can do or the kinds of jobs they can get on graduation. No employer ever asks what school one studied English conversation at.
Conversation schools are private businesses, there are no 'standards' they have to abide by- the Ministry of Education does not even regulate the curriculum, tell them what to teach, qualifications of teachers, what text book they use. It is left up to individual schools to decide, so there is no way of comparing A and B in terms of 'quality'.
I would hazard a guess (based on common sense really) that they look for a school where fees are reasonable and they dont have to pay a huge deposit, within their budget, they can take lessons when they want, they have the kind of teacher they want who provides a good lesson and makes it enjoyable, the school is close to their home.
NOVA for example, I would guess is popular for many students becuase per-hour lessons are cheap for a group lesson, there is a branch on each corner, they employ native speakers, they can go to VOICE lessons and meet native speakers. Good for mothers as they have kids classes. Negatives are you get a lot of unqualified inexperienced party-goers parading as teachers. Not always possible to book a lesson when you want. Have to use up a book of pre-paid tickets or they become invalid after 3 years no matter what you initially paid for them.
What is popular for students in a language school is not the same as what is popular for teachers, as students are not working there and dont look for the same things in a school that teachers do.
PS any kind of market survey that asks Japanese students wat they look for in a school would most likely be conducted in Japanese, with a Japanese research team and the questionnaire in Japanese. I cant think of any logical reason why anyone would survey students in English except perhaps in a university academic study with a small sample population. |
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