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would you leave home to teach abroad with less than 2500 dollars?
less than 10 000 dollars?
12%
 12%  [ 2 ]
less than 5 000 dollars?
87%
 87%  [ 14 ]
Total Votes : 16

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Anne Stevens



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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Location: United states

PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:11 am    Post subject: Re: 2500 dollars Reply with quote

Hi,

As we speak, I have saved 2500 dollars for my next adventures Very Happy

anne stevens
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denise



Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Location: finally home-ish

PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I left for the first time, I took probably about $1000 with me, and I had a whopping $500 or so left behind in the bank. I had no job lined up--just an airline ticket, a spot in a TEFL course, and enough money to cope for maybe a month. I got very lucky and landed a job before the course had finished.

When I came to Japan, I brought about the same amount of money with me, had about the same in my account back home, and had about $40,000 in debt to deal with. Luckily, I already had a job that paid my airfare and housing. I just needed enough to carry me until my first paycheck, which came quickly.

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JosephP



Joined: 13 May 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about the equivalent of twelve dollars in pocket, no job and no place to stay. I've done it but I don't recommend it.
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spidey



Joined: 29 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it just me...or is there something wrong with this pole?

"Would you leave home to teach abroad with less than $2500?" is the question, but there is no where to answer yes or no. Is there? Confused
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ContemporaryDog



Joined: 21 May 2003
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Location: Wuhan, China

PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spidey wrote:
Is it just me...or is there something wrong with this pole?



Yes, it looks a bit wonky. I'd straighten it if I were you... Very Happy
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spidey



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point exactly. Smile
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moreover, Spidey, the poll (not pole) doesn't specify any country. I suppose responders could do that, but it still begs the question.
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Roger



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I, too, have to comment that posters who brag about how little savings they carry on them when they move abroad are a nuisance and/or a menace to the world at large.
Daredevil, after-me-the-deluge types who roam1 the field in search of some temporary jobs are flirting with disaster. I have never gone to another continent with less than the equivalent of U.S.$ 5'000, including a return ticket or cash to buy one, in my pocket; either I carried traveller's cheques, or I had access to a well-stocked bank account.

I never had a loan or debts to repay before I left any country where I lived and worked or studied before!
Maybe I hail from a different planet; I certainly frown on people making debts and buying things on credit. It's a lifestyle question. If you mean to be an ambassador for your own country you are not advertising your own poverty to the hospitable natives of other countries!
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spidey



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, Glenski.

As a side note...I think you missed the joke in my post.

You really need to read things more carefully. Razz

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merlin



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
the poll (not pole)

Wait a minute! You mean JosephP isn't Polish? Cuz that guy really needs strightening out. Stop confusing us Glenski.

Quote:
posters who brag about how little savings they carry on them when they move abroad are a nuisance and/or a menace to the world at large.
Daredevil, after-me-the-deluge types who roam1 the field in search of some temporary jobs are flirting with disaster

Try to see it the other way, Roger. Someone with little or no money and/or debts may already have had had disaster strike.

It may be that soemone with too much cash in poket is flirting more with disaster abroad than the penniless. Money burns a hole in the pocket and the temptation is to buy into less than sound business ventures in a foreign country that aren't so easy to back out of. The penniless can move on when they tire of a country whereas the landed nobility stay despite their better judgement.

I've seen both sides of the track and can't say one way is better or worse than the other. Just different. My next venture will surely be the same as the first - less than $100 in my pocket and a wheel that spins straw into gold. Tragedy may strike but then again tradgedy can strike a full bank account.
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denise



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger,

I don't know how insulting or condescending you meant to be, but I feel thoroughly put in my place now with the impoverished masses. I simply have never had the luxury of traveling around with more than $5,000. I have never fled from debts--I am actually repaying them from my salary here. I certainly was not bragging about traipsing across the globe with not a dime on me--it just worked out that way because I am not independently wealthy, never have been, and probably never will be. I have never had a "well-stocked bank account" back home, which is in no way a reflection on my lifestyle. It's merely a reflection on the life of an average hard-working American. Without relying on credit and loans, I would not have been able to go back to school. Please spare me the financial responsibility lecture.

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donfan



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am going to Russia in January with $200 in roubles to my name and a couple of thousand dollars in outstanding debts.

I have worked for the school before and so know what I am going to. There is no way I would do it if it was a new job.

What if the job turns out bad, you hate it and want to go home. If you have no money you can't even get home and you are at the mercy of your employer. No thanks.
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Anne Stevens



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:10 pm    Post subject: Re: $ 2500 [ how much money would you take ... Reply with quote

you are absolutely right:
I entered 2 options, tried to preview the poll
but it does not give that option ...
and I ended up with that question
it should have have been: "how much money ..."
with the options following, i guess.
I don't know how to edit now Very Happy


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spidey wrote:
Is it just me...or is there something wrong with this pole?

"Would you leave home to teach abroad with less than $2500?" is the question, but there is no where to answer yes or no. Is there? Confused
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Roger



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

denise wrote:
Roger,

I don't know how insulting or condescending you meant to be, but I feel thoroughly put in my place now with the impoverished masses. I simply have never had the luxury of traveling around with more than $5,000. I have never fled from debts--I am actually repaying them from my salary here. I certainly was not bragging about traipsing across the globe with not a dime on me--it just worked out that way because I am not independently wealthy, never have been, and probably never will be. I have never had a "well-stocked bank account" back home, which is in no way a reflection on my lifestyle. It's merely a reflection on the life of an average hard-working American. Without relying on credit and loans, I would not have been able to go back to school. Please spare me the financial responsibility lecture.



Denise,
sorry if you thought I was trying to insult you; I have so far never traded insults with you! BUt, yes, I do see those backpacker opportunist job hoppers as an insult to me and to labouring people.
Where in the world do people amass debts, and still claim the right to enjoy a life of luxuries, travel abroad and repay their debts with income generated in a supposedly "poorer" jurisdiction?
It takes a mindset conditioned by cultural factors alien to the majority of hard-working and decent folks the world over.
I would never get anywhere in the world if I had debts; I would find myself in deeper trouble upon returning - with higher debts compounded by interest. And maybe I would be wanted.

OK, for Usanians this is the way to go. IT's their custom since time immemorial. America has been living above its own means for decadces. People in the U.S.A. are credit takers. Their central government is manipulating the exchange rate of the U.S. dollar so that Americans never have to repay others more than what Americans feel they want to repay.
It doesn't work for others, though. I am not jealous for not having this option. I am, in fact, grateful.

Here in China, you won't be allowed to take a mortgage or a loan unless you are extremely well-to-do. I had to buy my property with cash and pay upfront. I am so glad! I would be repaying my mortgage without having any job security. My neighbour's flat has been repossessed by the developer - because this poor sod couldn't pay his management fee plus utilities for 5 years!

WHy do Americans want to travel around the world if they cannot afford it? No one else does this. Everybody does visit foreign countries though. Just look around and spot the Germans, Italians, Dutch, now even Russians everywhere - and they never borrow money from the bank to do that.
So, what do these folks RIGHT that you don't succeed in doing the same way?


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Seth



Joined: 05 Feb 2003
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Location: in exile

PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
WHy do Americans want to travel around the world if they cannot afford it? No one else does this. Everybody does visit foreign countries though. Just look around and spot the Germans, Italians, Dutch, now even Russians everywhere - and they never borrow money from the bank to do that.


it's my understanding that a lot of people, especially australians and kiwis, actually take out loans from the bank so that they can travel. this was the case with several australians that i met. i've never heard of yanks doing this, as most don't care to leave the country at all. on the one hand, americans are criticised for not having passports at all, now we're all travelling on borrowed money. which is it?

i'm sorry, roger, but you're starting to get moonravenish, being unreasonable just for the sake of being unreasonable because you don't like US politics. you of all should know that not all is so simple.
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