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naoshika
Joined: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 11 Location: Australia
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:07 am Post subject: which one? TESOL, RSA-CELTA, FLT, Trinity, CTEFLA. COTE? |
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I'm looking to do some kind of course that might help me land a better job or more private students in Japan. But I don't know which is the right one to do. I'm a native english speaker and have a university degree. Please send me your opinions and/or anything you know about the different qualifications.
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moot point
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Posts: 441
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Are you thinking about obtaining one of these certificates to teach in Japan? If so, perhaps you should do some research on the qualifications seeked for here. Those you mentioned are not really in demand here in Japan, however they would give you advantages in other countries. Here, an MA is the most respectable. Other than that, being able to teach TOEIC or TOEFL or other standarized U.S. tests are where you'd want to look into. |
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naoshika
Joined: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 11 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:00 am Post subject: |
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[quote="moot point"]Here, an MA is the most respectable. Other than that, being able to teach TOEIC or TOEFL or other standarized U.S. tests are where you'd want to look into.[/quote]
Hi,
Sorry for my ignorance, what does MA stand for? I have a Bachelors degree. I don't know how to do a course in teaching TOEIC or TOEFL without doing a TESOL course. (I only know of taking up those electives as part of a TESOL course.) I hope that makes sense.
Thanks for your input! |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:08 am Post subject: |
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naoshika wrote: |
moot point wrote: |
Here, an MA is the most respectable. Other than that, being able to teach TOEIC or TOEFL or other standarized U.S. tests are where you'd want to look into. |
Hi,
Sorry for my ignorance, what does MA stand for? I have a Bachelors degree. I don't know how to do a course in teaching TOEIC or TOEFL without doing a TESOL course. (I only know of taking up those electives as part of a TESOL course.) I hope that makes sense.
Thanks for your input! |
MA is a Master of Arts, an m.Ed is a Masters of education. Any relevant postgraduate masters degree will be useful.
I'm not aware of any formal university courses to teach you how to teach TOEIC or TOEFL. I teach TOEIC at my university and am largely self-taught. What you need to look at is how to teach" exam" classes or how to prepare students for norm-referenced tests such as TOEIC or TOEFL (norm-referenced test means those that are standardised tests where students fit inside a bell curve and are compared with each other along a continuum form 0% to 100%). How to answer multi-choice questions when students are working against the clock.
Teaching TOEIC or exam skills is not really the same as teaching EFL and language related classes, but also teaching test-taking skills and strategies. There are a few books around on teaching TOEIC and TOEFL and a few are fairly self explanatory, but it pays to have a good knowledge of English grammar as that is one of the sections on the test, as well as teaching listening and reading skills. |
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randerso
Joined: 09 Nov 2004 Posts: 47 Location: Yokkaichi...via Toyota, Korea, Poland and China
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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In my experience teaching in both Asia and Europe, I would say that the kinds of certificates that naoshika mentiones are not really in demand in Asia yet. Japan seems to be the most 'developed' in that respect and can tend to be a little more choosey, but even they do not demand certificates. I think the advice of an MA or MEd is right, it's best to have those. However, that being a huge time and money investment, I'd recommend a TESOL Certificate. It's the most recognized in Asia, and the mosty likley to impress. You can do a TESOL in person in most countries or online through several sites (like www.globaltesol.com for example). The CELTA (and all it's derivitives; RSA-CELTA, CTEFLA) are very good but very expensive programs - intensive three to four week in-classroom courses that teach you not only how to teach but also the theory behind those minor things like grammar.
Trinity is a school that offers TESOL courses in Europe and helps you find a job after. But, like with CELTA, Trinity is most recognised in Europe. In fact, it is quite difficult to get a job these days in Europe if you do not have a CELTA. I've never heard of either the FLT or COTE so I'm not sure if they'd be good bets. But to tell you the truth, I think the best (and cheapest) advice is to come with your BA and see if you need/want anything after that. You can always do an online course later or pop into a training centre in Asia to do a course. Keep your options open and wait till you see for yourself before you decide. If you want specific info for the Global Tesol, PM me. That's where I did mine. Though I know for a fact that there are cheaper ones out there, I liked the course. |
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naoshika
Joined: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 11 Location: Australia
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:40 am Post subject: |
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Hi guys,
Do you think CELTA is a worthwhile certificate if an employer is looking for a teacher to teach children? (Since CELTA is a course designed to teach adults.) |
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Doglover
Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 305 Location: Kansai
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:11 am Post subject: |
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naoshika wrote: |
Hi guys,
Do you think CELTA is a worthwhile certificate if an employer is looking for a teacher to teach children? (Since CELTA is a course designed to teach adults.) |
Its a bit like asking if a heart surgeon can do ear, nose and throat. CELTA provides practical techniques for dealing with adult students who learn and behave differently than children. Adults have cognitive skills, can read and write, already conversant in their first language and can interact with each other (e.g. do dialogs, role play work out grammar rules etc)
Children learn and acquire languages differently than adults so a course in teaching children or how to teach young learners would be more beneficial IMO. CELTA wont hurt, but it wont be much help either, as you are dealing with a different age group. |
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Mark
Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 500 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:21 am Post subject: |
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You can always do CELTA and then do the Young Learner's Extension for CELTA. Unfortunately, I believe you do have to do CELTA first and then the YLE after. It's expensive, but if you can afford it and you plan to be here for a few years, it's probably a good idea and will pay off at some point. If you're only coming for a year and you already have a job lined up, then don't worry about it. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 67 Location: temp banned from dave's korean boards
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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Mark wrote: |
You can always do CELTA and then do the Young Learner's Extension for CELTA. Unfortunately, I believe you do have to do CELTA first and then the YLE after. |
If you want to teach mostly young learners, not adults you can go straight into the full-blown CELTYL which is 4 weeks long.
The CELTYL extension two-week course is only for CELTA grads and is an abbreviated version of the full course.
The extension certificate is offered more often, but the full one-month version is offered in Thailand, Spain, Portugal and Uruguay and a couple of other places, but not many in comparison.
I took the CELTA and am planning to take the CELTYL extension two-weeker this October in Bangkok.
Not like anyone in Japan or Korea has ever heard of it however.  |
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