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matcauthon
Joined: 16 Dec 2004
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Location: Japan
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 Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:05 am Post subject: to UK readers-going back to uni after teaching abroad |
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I`m in my second year of the JET Programme in Japan and I`m considering going back to England in order to do a one year Post Graduate Diploma in Careers Guidance, with a view to working in this field. However, I will have to pay international tuition fees as I will not have been resident in the UK prior to embarking on this course. This means that I will have to fork out about 8,500GBP, as opposed to about 2,500GBP for home student fees.
I was just wondering if:
1) You think this is fair.
2) How did you cope with this extra fianancial burden, or how will you cope with this in the future?
3) Is there anyway around this unfortunate state of affairs? |
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Dr.J
Joined: 09 May 2003
Posts: 304
Location: usually Japan
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 7:14 am Post subject: |
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I'm not 100% sure, but I think that's crap.
If you are British, then you pay British/EU fees.
If you are half Japanese or spent the last 20 years in Japan maybe it's different. Where you are when you apply should make no difference. |
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badtyndale
Joined: 23 Jun 2004
Posts: 181
Location: In the tool shed
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 7:31 am Post subject: |
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Have you been informed that you do not qualify for Home/EU Fee Status?
The following is for guidance. It is not a statement of law:
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The following is a summary of the definition of a home student to help you decide whether you will be liable to pay the overseas rate of tuition fee. If you do not meet any of the conditions set out here you will be liable to pay the overseas rate of tuition fee.
(a) The student is settled in the United Kingdom, the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man on the 1 September, 1 January or 1 April closest to the beginning of his or her programme of study, and has been ordinarily resident therein, throughout a qualifying period of three years immediately preceding that date, and provided that he or she has not been resident therein, during any part of the three year period, wholly or primarily for the purpose of receiving full-time education.
(b) The student is a national of a member state of the European Union or is the son or daughter of such a national and has been ordinarily resident in the European Economic Area throughout the three year period referred to in paragraph (a) provided that he or she has not been resident therein, during any part of that period, wholly or mainly for the purpose of receiving full-time education.
(c) The student would qualify under paragraph (a) or (b) above were it not solely for the fact that he or she, his or her spouse or his or her parent was temporarily employed outside the United Kingdom, Channel Islands or the Isle of Man, or the European Union, as the case may be.
(d) The student is a refugee ordinarily resident in the United Kingdom, the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man and has not ceased to be so resident since he or she was recognised as a refugee (or was granted asylum), or is the spouse or child of such a refugee.
(e) The student has been admitted to a course as a result of arrangements between the University and an institution outside the United Kingdom for the exchange of students on a fully reciprocal basis.
(f) The student (i) is a national or son or daughter of a national of Iceland, Liechtenstein or Norway; (ii) has been ordinarily resident in the EEA throughout the three-year period referred to in paragraph (a); (iii) has, or has a parent who has, entered the UK for the purposes of employment, has been employed since entering the UK and will continue to be employed until the qualifying date referred to in paragraph (a).
If you are not certain whether you will be classified as an overseas student or not according to this definition please write to the Research Admissions Office with full details or your own and your family's residential history.
Note:
A person settled in the UK is one who is ordinarily resident in the UK and has no restrictions on their right to remain in the UK.
Persons recognised by the UK authorities as settled persons or refugees are those whose passports have been endorsed accordingly, or who have been issued with an official letter confirming their status by the Home Office. |
Paragraph (c) may be important to you. |
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ContemporaryDog
Joined: 21 May 2003
Posts: 1477
Location: Wuhan, China
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Hmmm... I am thinking of applying to do a PGCE in the UK in about a year's time. I am slightly worried if I am away in China too long it will mean I am suddenly an 'overseas' student... still, I can't see it, I've lived in the UK all my life (until September 2003) and can't have suddenly become a foreigner!!!
This reminds me of when I was travelling in India. My mum was sorting out my student grant application with the local council for me while I was away. She phoned the office and told them that I was in India and wouldn't be back in time to sign the grant form. They told her I would therefore be an illegal immigrant and wouldn't be eligible for a grant (!). I know that they probably thought, given my local area (Hackney) has a high ethnic minority population, that my mother could have been Indian and that therefore her son was not a UK resident, but given that she was speaking in a fairly MOR English accent and had an English name, you would have thought they could have put two and two together to see the truth of it. Muppets.
Anyway, in the end my mum got my brother to fake the signature for me... |
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gtidey
Joined: 18 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Maybe I'm being retarded but I was at uni last year with a lot of foreigners and from what I gathered British Passport = British Fees.
If you have a UK passport then you should only pay the 2 grand a year or whatever it was.
but dont take this as gospel. |
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dmb
Joined: 12 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Because I live in Turkey and my modules get sent to me I have to pay 'rest of the world' fees. It is five times more than if I lived in the UK |
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sojourner
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Posts: 738
Location: nice, friendly, easy-going (ALL) Peoples' Republic of China
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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Matcauthon,
If the cost of doing a course in the UK appears too prohibitive, why don't you consider enrolling in an online or distance education at an Australian uni - would probably be far cheaper for you.
Peter |
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Phil_b
Joined: 14 Oct 2003
Posts: 239
Location: Back in London
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| badtyndale wrote: |
Have you been informed that you do not qualify for Home/EU Fee Status?
The following is for guidance. It is not a statement of law:
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The following is a summary of the definition of a home student to help you decide whether you will be liable to pay the overseas rate of tuition fee. If you do not meet any of the conditions set out here you will be liable to pay the overseas rate of tuition fee.
(a) The student is settled in the United Kingdom, the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man on the 1 September, 1 January or 1 April closest to the beginning of his or her programme of study, and has been ordinarily resident therein, throughout a qualifying period of three years immediately preceding that date, and provided that he or she has not been resident therein, during any part of the three year period, wholly or primarily for the purpose of receiving full-time education.
(b) The student is a national of a member state of the European Union or is the son or daughter of such a national and has been ordinarily resident in the European Economic Area throughout the three year period referred to in paragraph (a) provided that he or she has not been resident therein, during any part of that period, wholly or mainly for the purpose of receiving full-time education.
(c) The student would qualify under paragraph (a) or (b) above were it not solely for the fact that he or she, his or her spouse or his or her parent was temporarily employed outside the United Kingdom, Channel Islands or the Isle of Man, or the European Union, as the case may be.
(d) The student is a refugee ordinarily resident in the United Kingdom, the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man and has not ceased to be so resident since he or she was recognised as a refugee (or was granted asylum), or is the spouse or child of such a refugee.
(e) The student has been admitted to a course as a result of arrangements between the University and an institution outside the United Kingdom for the exchange of students on a fully reciprocal basis.
(f) The student (i) is a national or son or daughter of a national of Iceland, Liechtenstein or Norway; (ii) has been ordinarily resident in the EEA throughout the three-year period referred to in paragraph (a); (iii) has, or has a parent who has, entered the UK for the purposes of employment, has been employed since entering the UK and will continue to be employed until the qualifying date referred to in paragraph (a).
If you are not certain whether you will be classified as an overseas student or not according to this definition please write to the Research Admissions Office with full details or your own and your family's residential history.
Note:
A person settled in the UK is one who is ordinarily resident in the UK and has no restrictions on their right to remain in the UK.
Persons recognised by the UK authorities as settled persons or refugees are those whose passports have been endorsed accordingly, or who have been issued with an official letter confirming their status by the Home Office. |
Paragraph (c) may be important to you. |
I guess it all depends how they define "temporary employment" as opposed to residence abroad... would you have to be contracted through a UK organisation.
I guess I can understand it to a certain extent... If you don't pay UK taxes why should you be subsidised by them - but surely it would be fairer if it was (say) three out of the last 5 years, rather than only the last 3 years - you probably paid a load of tax here before then... |
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dyak
Joined: 25 Jun 2003
Posts: 630
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| If you don't pay UK taxes why should you be subsidised by them |
There are subsidies for studying here?! Hmm... someone owes me. |
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