Site Search:
 
Get TEFL Certified & Start Your Adventure Today!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

new white elephant schools

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> China (Job-related Posts Only)
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Brian Caulfield



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Posts: 1247
Location: China

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:01 am    Post subject: new white elephant schools Reply with quote

I just visited a school in Nanjing that has space for about 10,000 students and they have about 500 . My present school has room for about 20,000 and they have 500 students attending . Everywhere I see these empty schools . What is the point of building these monstrousities if no students. Are people doing it to avoid paying taxes?
The schools are unique in that they don't have a library . They spend money on lakes , gardens , rubberized tracks and swimming pools but nothing on a library.
Anybody else noticing the same thing ?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger
Old Dog



Joined: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 564
Location: China

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:42 am    Post subject: School size Reply with quote

I haven't seen anything here with such a mismatch between capacity and actual enrolment. There is a large amount of spare capacity being generated here by school building but not to that extent. The thing that struck me as being a curious use of funds was what went on here in the Junior Middle School. It's a beautiful place where the Principal boasts, "Nothing cheap here". The place was not inhabited until every single aspect of the place was totally finished. In the first year, there were a total of 15 classes but there had been set up 27 classrooms, all totally furnished, wired, TV'd, ..... One year later, there are 17 classes - and so the place will grow. But by the time we have 27 classes, those TV sets and other equipment could be a bit old. This was private money, not public money, which made what I saw here all the more curious.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Sinobear



Joined: 24 Aug 2004
Posts: 1269
Location: Purgatory

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My school is over-capacity. The grade ones must use a nearby training center for their classes. It's rather strange, in a city of just over 300K that there's soooooooooo many kids here. I think some schools operate on the same system as normal government organizations as in the west...they have a yearly budget and must use it otherwise their budget will get reduced the following year.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Roger



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
Posts: 9138

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What with those class sizes that we have to put up with, I can't imagine overcapacity for quite some time yet... Maybe in the near future, classes will go down to 35, 30... students? That would be great.
But here in Guangdong, 60 students to one class is still pretty common. Yes, I have seen some unused classrooms and entire buildings, but I am sure they will soon be used profitably.

In fact, it has become a trend for municipalities to construct so-called "univesity towns" that accommodate up to 30'000 students! One is outside of Peking, and one has just been opened last September in the vicinity of Guangzhou.

Chinese for some reason I can only imagine prefer their kids to board. I am sure boarding schools are not going to go out of business soon. Neighbourhood schools maybe.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
kev7161



Joined: 06 Feb 2004
Posts: 5880
Location: Suzhou, China

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My school is in it's 3rd year (or maybe 4th) of being in business. Some of the buildings are only that old. Some even newer. This is a private school. I am appalled at the condition of these buildings. The kids don't take care of anything. The classrooms are little pig stys. I can only imagine their dorm rooms. They sleep 4 to 6 in a room. The primary school had to be moved over to last year's Senior building as the newest building had to accomodate all the bilingual department (which is different from the "regular" departments, don't ask me how). It seems this school is very well-known in much of eastern China. It may continue to grow and grow or it may develop a very bad reputation with all of the FTs and CTs that leave here dismayed and discouraged (as well as a fair number of students) and become a "white elephant" down the road.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Old Dog



Joined: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 564
Location: China

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:28 pm    Post subject: Roger's imagination Reply with quote

Roger wrote:

Quote:
Chinese for some reason I can only imagine prefer their kids to board.


It really takes little imagination and little familiarity with Chinese schools to know that school hours are such that remaining at home is hardly an option for most Chinese students.

If a student does not live within, say, a 20-minute bike ride of school, a 30-minute ride at most, the hours are such and parental commitments are such that it is far simpler and more convenient all round for the child to live at the school.

Each year, approximately 65% of students here live in this school complex - and roughly the same figure pertains in other schools in this city. In remote village areas, the figure is probably higher. The village kids live in their school dorms until the weekend when they make a quick dash back to their home on foot or by bike to stock up with rice and pickles for the coming week and to get cleaned up a bit.

What the children refer to as the "living fee" is quite low generally. Accommodation is often very bad, mostly spartan and sometimes quite good - as it is in the private part of our establishment. Increasingly, the killer for the poor parent is the dining hall cost. Here the monthly food cost would be approximately 360 yuan - and if a kid gets by on less than this, he/she must be eating extraordinarily lightly, which, I suspect, some of those kids from the north of our Province who are enrolled here do.

When I get into some of those village farmhouses and see their coldness and their emptiness and when I recognise that "worker" parents and business parents are forced by circumstances to leave their kids alone in these vast caverns or in their city flats for the greater part of their waking day, I recognize all too quickly why so many kids can't get back to the community life of the school quickly enough and why parents, mercifully, think it not a bad idea for the kids to "board".

In those parts of China that I'm familiar with, boarding is hardly a matter of personal preference for so many. It's an unavoidable necessity.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Gray000



Joined: 14 Apr 2003
Posts: 183
Location: A better place

PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet it's mindless overinvestment... like the apt buildings etc.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Yahoo Messenger
Norman Bethune



Joined: 19 Apr 2004
Posts: 731

PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:46 am    Post subject: Re: Roger's imagination Reply with quote

Old Dog wrote:
.........greater part of their waking day, I recognize all too quickly why so many kids can't get back to the community life of the school quickly enough and why parents, mercifully, think it not a bad idea for the kids to "board".

In those parts of China that I'm familiar with, boarding is hardly a matter of personal preference for so many. It's an unavoidable necessity.



Gone are the days of packing of each new generation of teenagers to the countryside to work for the good of the nation.

Gone are the socialising norms once facilitated by families having more than one child.

Gone are the good old days of the little red book and indoctrination by the Youth league.

Gone are the times when the Red Army could conscript the young.


Now, parents just sent their kids off to boarding schools, and residences in colleges to get an education in having to live with others, six to a room and stop being the little emperor monster that they are.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> China (Job-related Posts Only) All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

Teaching Jobs in China
Teaching Jobs in China