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siggywiggywald



Joined: 15 Oct 2004
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Location: US--Florida

PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:46 am    Post subject: Voice overs Reply with quote

Hi,

Here's the deal: I am starting a job with Aeon in March and I have signed a contract saying that I will not take any other jobs. That being said, Wink I was wondering if anyone had ever taken another job after signing the contract? If so, did anything happen? My thought is, that with Japanese culture being so non-confrontational, maybe no one would say anything if they found out and it wouldn't be an issue. On the other hand, maybe they would just fire me and blame it on something else. Or, maybe, I'm totally diluted and they would have no qualms about firing me in a straight forward way.

I think it would be really fun to do a voice over (that is if anyone thought my voice was appropriate for one) and I'd really like to seek out an opportunity to do that, but I don't want to cause a bunch of hell just for a kick and some extra money.

Anyway, what do you think?
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JimDunlop2



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uh, What's a voiceover? Is this some sort of job that you'd be getting paid to do outside of your Aeon duties?

As a general answer, I can tell you that it's probably best to stay away from moonlighting doing jobs that your type of work visa doesn't permit you to do. What you are proposing sounds like something that would fall in under an "entertainer" work visa.. But I may be wrong... I suppose it stems back to my original question.

Aeon aside, if you get caught working illegally (i.e. without a proper visa for what you are doing) The Japanese gov't just got really strict about it and the fines are very high.... and the result is deportation and a 5-year ban from returning. It's not really a matter of Japanese people being non-confrontational. In additional, large Eikaiwas aren't just Japanese people... Again, I may be wrong, but I would assume there are enough foreigners at the lower (and even higher) management level that getting caught in a breech of contract may result in someone taking action.

Most English teachers (I'd say) -- IF they want to make some extra money on the side, do things like tutor privately, or edit, proofread or translate (given their Japanese is good enough). Outside the scope of that, (and EVEN what I just listed, except for tutoring) are very sought-after jobs, hence are very rare and require a high level of Japanese. The lowest level I've ever heard of anyone being able to work in editing/proofreading is ni-kyu (Japanese Proficiency Level 2). Level 1 is the norm.

Glenski would probably be the best source for an answer regarding the possiblilty of obtaining non-English-teaching work in Japan.
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guest of Japan



Joined: 28 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've done voice overs for the radio as well as a weekly English lesson on air. I was lucky in that a former student was a big name DJ where I was living. Another teacher I worked with did it first, and I replaced him when he went back home.

I was paid cash for my services about once a month. It was quite lucrative, but it is not dependable income.

It's actually pretty difficult to get caught doing this, since radio stations are very adept at managing there books. You'd just fall under a publicity expense.

If you do get the opportunity consider yourself lucky.
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spidey



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Location: Web-slinging over Japan...

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a side note...

Employers DO NOT have the right to tell you what to do outside of work. Part-time jobs included.

S
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siggywiggywald



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the advice. If I do find something I think I'll probably go for it and keep it quiet. It would give me an entirely different look at Japanese culture and it would make for a good short story or blog entry.
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GreenDestiny



Joined: 27 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spidey wrote:
As a side note...

Employers DO NOT have the right to tell you what to do outside of work. Part-time jobs included.

S


Spidey, I noticed you're located in Tokyo, so here's a question for you:

Recently, I interviewed with a certain school which stated that in their contract NO OUTSIDE WORK of any kind. So, how much of this should one take seriously? I'd really like to add privates to my schedule, and have thought of acting/voicework as another sideline.

Thanks!

GreenDestiny
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PAULH



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GreenDestiny wrote:
spidey wrote:
As a side note...

Employers DO NOT have the right to tell you what to do outside of work. Part-time jobs included.

S


Spidey, I noticed you're located in Tokyo, so here's a question for you:

Recently, I interviewed with a certain school which stated that in their contract NO OUTSIDE WORK of any kind. So, how much of this should one take seriously? I'd really like to add privates to my schedule, and have thought of acting/voicework as another sideline.

Thanks!

GreenDestiny
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Destiny

your employer's biggest fear is that you will offer to teach your students at home and charge them less than what your employer does. This is why they have these clauses in these contracts. Once you have knocked off work, your time is your own and they can not micro-manage your private life, even if it means teaching privates. I very much doubt anyone has been fired for teaching privates, and they would have to prove you caused damage to their business (not only that if they fire you they have to pay you a months wages or give you 30 days notice). If they threaten you you can perhaps call their bluff, as teaching privates is not illegal in Japan, and just because its in the contract doesnt mean that its enforceable. An illegal clause is still illegal and can be ignored.


Technically unless its teaching related you can not do non-teaching jobs on an instructors visa, and as long as its 'under the table' and you are discreet about it there should be no problems.

teaching privates are usually OK, but I would avoid teaching them at home if you are living in company accomodation just in case.
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krista_22



Joined: 18 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But is teaching privately or tutoring in addition to your regular full-time contract job illegal??? For some reason I thought that I have read that before...?
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

krista_22 wrote:
But is teaching privately or tutoring in addition to your regular full-time contract job illegal??? For some reason I thought that I have read that before...?




There is no law in the land that says teaching private students is illegal. You are supposed to pay tax on the income by privates but most people do not declare their private income so there is no way of getting caught.


it is illegal by law to teach privates in Korea but not in Japan. Here is more customary to forbid you to teach privates but it has no legal standing. An employer can not dictate who you meet and where in your private time, when you are not working. Your employer is the sponsor of your visa, but the visa is yours and you are required to be at work according to the hours of your contract. Outside that your time is your own. You are not an indentured slave in Japan to be dictated to as to what you do in your own time. I worked at several places when I was teaching at a conversation school and some employers dont mind. What happens if your main employer decides to cut your hours one day, which they can and do? You dont really have a financial or legal leg to stand on, unless you take him to court and sue for financial loss. Often they will forbid you to do things, but move the goalposts when it suits them.


In case you dont know the Osaka Bar Association has shot down the NOVA anti-fraternisation clause as unconstitutional and discriminatory, though there is no Japanese law that bars them from what they are doing. NOVA does it because they are a big Japanese company and no one will stop them. I have heard of NOVA still firing people for socialising outside work etc but this is in fact illegal and can be challenged.
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krista_22



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that reply. I was looking into Korea not too long ago so I must have mixed it up. Thanks for clarifying!
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