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[gravey]

I don't have TESL or similar certificate, I don't really have the desire or time to get one. However, I do have a masters of international business from QUT in Australia. While in Australia, I was friends with a bunch of Indonesians. I would like to get a job there. I have not had any luck in Indo. I have had plenty of offers from China, Taiwan, and Korea.

Do I have any chance of getting a job in Jakarta? My friends have told me to fly over and I will get a job. I don't like that idea. I have a decent job right now and would not like to quit without anything planned out.

Thanks for your help.

[ls650]

You have a Masters degree of some description? You'll have no problem finding EFL work in Indo!

[gravey]

is that from america or when i am there?

i am not that crazy to leave without a job. any ideas on where i can work on arranging employment before i leave?

[butterflyefect]

I've been teaching at several language schools in a city in Indonesia. Native speakers who have a bachelor degree usually don't have any TESOL/CELTA certificates. They require a TESOL/CELTA cert only if you don't have a degree. With your qualification, you wouldn't find any problems to be accepted at a language school. The only reason why they don't give you any feedback is because they're afraid they can't pay you. You need to state how much you want to be paid in your resume. In Jakarta ESL teachers are paid around 6-10 million. Other cities..might be around 4.5-7 million. Only local bank managers would be paid that high in Indonesia. You could also teach at a college or a university. I'd recommend applying via internet. Ask about the housing allowance, transportation, location, and the most important....how long will it take before you get your KITAS (work permit)?
Good luck

[willy]

[gravey]

i have yet to find a school that does not require a certificate.

if anyone knows of an institution, i would appreciate your help.

thanks for the advice.

[guruengerish]

[quote="gravey"]i have yet to find a school that does not require a certificate.

Thank heavens for that!

[gravey]

[guruengerish]

The whole idea behind the TESLA/TEFLA certificate scheme is to ensure a basic standard of teaching English to speakers of another language.

While many countries allow a holder of any sort of degree, be it accounting, anthropology or geomorphology, to come and teach, having had training in these areas does not qualify one to teach English.

Whether you're a barber or a scout leader, persons shouldn't be turned loose on the public without at least sharing the knowledge and skills that others have experienced.

What I'm saying is this; if you want to drive - you get a licence, no matter how much theory you've learned. Academics usually do not have a background in teaching and education, whether they're working at a University or a school; that's why teachers have to have a Dip. Ed after their other studies.

[gugelhupf]

I have to agree with Guru on this one, based on my own experience. I have a degree and a PhD in biological fields, plus 3 years science and computing skills teaching. According to the previous poster that would make me "more than qualified to teach English".

If that is the case, then why did I learn so much during my Trinity TESOL course? Similarly, I have learned (often the hard way!) a heck of a lot more since I've been teaching ESL, and I still consider myself an inexperienced greenhorn teacher with a very long way to go.

[gravey]

well i have a masters degree in international business. unlike the biology degree, i have a very good understanding of indonesians. i spent several weeks in indonesia. i was known as the "bule gila" by the indos at my school because of my knowledge and williness to experience the culture. i took several classes on asian cultures. i am sure that i am more prepared to teach indonesians than someone from kansas with a tesl certificate without any other experiences. i really dont think that observing a classroom in america will be of any use to me or most.

[sidjameson]

Gravey, the fact that you think that having had a holiday in a country this entitles a person to think they'd make a good english teacher makes me think that you might possibly benefit just a tiny weeny bit from taking a TEFL course.
An MBA, ummm very useful when you are trying to explain the difference between "take" and "bring".
Good luck though. Don't do what I did when I taught my first ever class in Indonesia. I said "hello how are you?" to every student in the class, all 25 of them, because I didn't know what else to do.

[Chester]

how is a certificate course considered a comment on ability?
its pretty difficult to fail it!

how many people in jakarta drive a vehicle and have no licence?
heaps.

since when does having a piece of paper mean you are actually any good at something. rarely.

the presumption is pompous.

one thinks one is about to throw up.

[Chester]

born with a book up their ash

[ls650]