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British
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 Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 2:42 pm Post subject: Dyslexia in China |
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Why is it that China Education system will not accept Dyslexia in any of their schools or Colleges or Universitys why?
Me and another teacher here as tryed to give this university information about "dyslexia" and what it is about and we have said on many talks to them about this but they will not listen us.
What do you think?. |
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Ben Round de Bloc
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Dyslexia in China |
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| British bulldog wrote: |
| Why is it that China Education system will not accept Dyslexia in any of their schools or Colleges or Universitys why? . . . What do you think?. |
Maybe Dyslexia couldn't pass the entrance exams. I don't know her, so it's hard to say.
If you express yourself when you talk in the same way that you do when you write, it's possible that those you've talked to don't understand what you're talking about. Also, school administrators don't usually pay attention to proposals that come from people who don't sound like they've received a high level of formal education. Rightly or wrongly, they associate knowledge about education with people who sound like they've been formally educated. If I understand you correctly, you've tried to give them information about dyslexia, but what exactly do you want or expect them to do with this information? I'm not sure what your point is here exactly. |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 5:14 pm Post subject: in Mexico |
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My experience has shown me that in the developing world (here in Mexico as an example) there is very little support, sympathy, or unerstanding of learning or physcial disabilities. I can only imagine it's similar in China.
You imply may be running into a brick wall of ignorance or into something culturally sensitive to the Chinese.
Sorry mate...part of living abroad I'm afraid |
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British
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Ben Round de Bloc"
My point is we have seen many of are students here slowing down when they copy their work of the board and some miss out words and some can not remember the easy words like one girl spell easy like this "hesy" and four boys spell the like this "whe" they get many words wrong then when copying from the board and some of the local teachers have seen this as well they also get their words mix up when they copy from there English books.
Some of the students listen to English tapes to improve their listen in English and then they have to write the words down onces they have listen to the tape but some get the words wrong all the time some are ok, and some are good they have their dictionarys but to find the sound of the words can be hard for them so we have had many talks to the Foreign Affairs office about this, and given information about Dyslexia what is it all about, and how we can help those to understand and help some of the students if we can, so we talk to some of the local teachers who have study aboard have known about this, and as said to us that many Colleges & University will not listen to any foreign teachers here in China about there Education system we are wasting are time.
We were told its all about money if a student don't pass their Exams they can't go to grade two or grade three next year so they have to pay & study all over again in any department here, its so unfair to them, know one is willing to help those if they can't read and spell, that means they will not get a good job in the future I teach in the "International business department" here in Xingtai out of 45 students in one class this year only 19 will pass and in class two 5 out of 34 will pass the English test each student pays 9,000 a year in the IBD some parents can just about pay this money onces a year and some are rich.
We have a Australian teacher here for one month to test those students in grade three that will go to Holmesglen next year, in his class only three out of 30 students can pass the test to go to Australia that is what i was told by him and their are more of them but the test is to hard for them so my point is if you can not remember a sound of a word or understand its meaning without a dictionary then it is hard for them to pass the test.
So I hope you can understand my meaning.
Anyway Have a nice Christmas to all. |
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British
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Guy Courchesne"
Yes you are right about the system its a shame.  I have many friends here and we all want to help them but we are told this.
"THIS IS CHINA"
bye. |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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its like eecummings reincarnated, trying to teach english!
Bulldog, if you teach in the same style you're using to write on this forum, your students may not actually be as dyslexic as you think....... |
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British
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:36 am Post subject: |
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spiral78" posted
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Bulldog, if you teach in the same style you're using to write on this forum, your students may not actually be as dyslexic as you think.......
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Here we go again another so called crap teacher, yes you can have you say but to pick thats another matter, as for your information there is nothing wrong with my writing it just you have poor eye sight and i teach local teachers here and they can understand me in my class room just like the foreign teachers can because we sit in each others class sometimes its just about people trying to be teachers that is bad and then come to China, i personally think that you should go home and try to be a teacher before coming to China you are not the only one on here and you will not be the last.
I don't think Dave made a web site to have people like you coming on here and messing things up its just a shame people on here are like you and you put the good one to Shame, 
This fourm is to try to make friends and give some good information to other teachers all over the world and to help them in jobs and to give any good information that we can use in are teaching, but it's not gone this way many think its a good way to talk about sex and women and other matters that as nothing to do with teaching only some good information are on this forum it's just a shame that Dave don't come on here and banned some of the so called bad teachers. 
Have a nice Christmas to all the good teacher on here.  |
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tradinup
Joined: 13 Nov 2004
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Location: Shenzhen, China
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| British bulldog wrote: |
Here we go again another so called crap teacher, yes you can have you say but to pick thats another matter, as for your information there is nothing wrong with my writing it just you have poor eye sight and i teach local teachers here and they can understand me in my class room just like the foreign teachers can because we sit in each others class sometimes its just about people trying to be teachers that is bad and then come to China, i personally think that you should go home and try to be a teacher before coming to China you are not the only one on here and you will not be the last. |
Don't ever put 114 words in one sentence ever again. I'll have you deported.
| British bulldog wrote: |
| This fourm is to try to make friends and give some good information to other teachers all over the world and to help them in jobs and to give any good information that we can use in are teaching |
Fine. Learn english. We'll make friends after that.
You seem like a nice guy but unfortunately you're a lousy teacher. Nevermind us though; as stated in your signature, you "don't care." Although, I feel should defer all monies earned by you to your students' next english teacher, for he/she will need to perform teaching acrobatics to even attempt to repair the damage you have done. |
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Ben Round de Bloc
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:44 pm Post subject: Message for British bulldog |
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| British bulldog wrote: |
Here we go again another so called crap teacher, yes you can have you say but to pick thats another matter, as for your information there is nothing wrong with my writing it just you have poor eye sight and . . .
This fourm is to try to make friends and give some good information to other teachers all over the world and to help them in jobs and to give any good information that we can use in are teaching, but it's not gone this way . . . |
British bulldog,
If you're going to improve as a teacher, you need to admit to your shortcomings first and then work on improving them. All good teachers do that. There is something wrong with your writing. It's hard to imagine that anyone who writes the way you do could teach EFL effectively. Becoming defensive in response to criticism isn't a way to improve yourself, nor is it a way to get other posters on this forum to offer solid advice and suggestions in response to the questions you post here.
Granted, there's no good reason for posters to be overly picky and rude when responding to your posts, but damn, man, you set yourself up for it time after time.
For starters, just look at your statement, "I don't care for Grammar or Vocabulary ok & i have never use it & never will." What do you think that tells readers about you as an EFL teacher? |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:17 pm Post subject: in defense |
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In the smallest little defense of the British Bulldog (one of my favorite wrestlers from the WWF hace 20 anyos)...
It's not always necessary that a forum post reflect how one truly writes. I know this thread is going elsewhere, but I wanted to point out the medium lets us be sloppy with out really caring, if we want, and still be understood.
I have days where I'm writing so fast that lots of errors creep up. I really hate the spell checker. |
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Ben Round de Bloc
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: in defense |
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| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
| It's not always necessary that a forum post reflect how one truly writes. |
I agree with what you've said here, Guy, but would you feel comfortable placing British bulldog in a university EFL teaching position after seeing his writing style here on this forum? |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:49 pm Post subject: no guey |
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Sorry Ben, I won't be drawn on that...
I understand the Bulldog's point and will leave it at that. I'll judge the man on the content of his words and not the grammar or complete lack of punctuation of his post. Besides Ben, you are creeping into the Moonraven's domain here. She could verbally sue you for lost work!!!  all in good fun. |
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British
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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Guy Courchesne" thank you
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tradinup"
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Don't ever put 114 words in one sentence ever again. I'll have you deported.
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who are you the China secret police?, you little sad boy.
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Fine. Learn english. We'll make friends after that.
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you mean when you learn to read first?
Ben Round de Bloc"
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If you're going to improve as a teacher
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only if you do it first?.
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What do you think that tells readers about you as an EFL teacher
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like i have said before i hate grammar my mean is why i put in my sig is so many people ask me to use gammar in my words so i have told them many times why i don't use it so i now have put were ever one can see it.
as i have told you i have met lots of teachers here in china and no one can teach English gammar here in china so why are going on about again?. get a life. |
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peggiescott
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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BB,
Your post just sort of cleared something up for me. I'm dyslexic and, as you may know, learning languages is one of the things that many of us can't do. When I try to explain why, after 6 months here, I only know 4 words of Chinese I can't get anyone to understand. I guess my Chinese friends just aren't familiar with it.
I teach oral English so I don't see much evidence of it in my students.
Peggie |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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It's not just the lack of grammar - it's the words/intent behind them too.
What make you think I'm a crap teacher? My students disagree with you!
But, if I allowed students to write as you do, they would never graduate from the uni where I teach, never land a job in an international company, never achieve the goals that drive them to learn English.
I have no idea whether you actually teach as you write (assuming NOT!), but my little poke at your writing style (which IS funny) evoked a pretty nasty response. So, no, now it's not just an issue of grammar, but also of temperament. |
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