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monkel



Joined: 29 Apr 2003
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Location: Australia

PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 1:20 pm    Post subject: advice on marriage in turkey Reply with quote

can anyone give me advice on marrying in turkey? tourists (and that's what we are, according to our visas - one french, one aussie) must do it all the time here, no?

i tried my consulate about 6 wks ago and they have been very UNhelpful; in fact they haven't replied at all.........i now hand over this matter to the superior practical skills of the contributors to this forum!

any help would be greatly appreciated.

cheers!

monkel
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Faustino



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you in a rush? In what way was you consulate unhelpful?

I'd start by getting some proof that you're unmarried.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 10:34 am    Post subject: it Reply with quote

Difficult enough for a Turk and a foreigner - but two foreigners !

Would it not be easier to do it a country where one of you is a native ?

And remember the advice of a great American : " Beware of any enterprise which requires the acquisition of new clothes."
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ImanH



Joined: 16 Oct 2004
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Location: Istanbul

PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We got married in Turkey a year and a half ago and it was actually pretty straight forward (and great - got to be the shortest wedding ceremony ever).
My being a foreigner didn't create any particular problems. My husband is Turkish though and I would say that if one of you doesn't speak Turkish pretty well it would be an entirely different matter, and especially so if your consulates are not being helpful. The British consulate has pages on its web-site dedicated to the issue.
The only annoyance is the medical tests you have to go through, especially if you don't get them done privately. Due to a legal loophole, the only problem I had (and have) was to do with name change, but that won't be a problem if you/your fianc�e plan to change it anyway.
One option might be to see if they have those fixers who do weddings abroad - I'm pretty sure they have them in the UK for Turkey.
Feel free to pm me if you want any more specific information regarding the procedures we went through.
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monkel



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the advice all.....

and scot47: we won't be a'needin new garments. we's just gettin hitched in our sunday best.
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calsimsek



Joined: 15 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I'm missing something here, How can a two no Turks get married in Turkey. You could only get married işn either the French or Australian consulate. A Turk can marry anyone in Turkey. You two are not citizens the Turks can't help you at all. You have to wait for your consulate's help.
Perhapes thing would move much faster if you went the through the Consulate Generals offices in Ankara.
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gelin



Joined: 09 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two non-Turks CAN get married in Turkey. Happens a lot, in fact.
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monkel



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, i was assuming that it WOULD happen a lot, especially in Istanbul, surely one of the most romantic and ROMANTICISED cities in the world....

I'm from a famous beach town in Australia and the wedding-honeymoon package is a very popular option. i thought it must exist here too.....

we DO need our consulate's help, of course. i was looking for some tips on how to get the consulate to do scandalous stuff liike ANSWER THEIR EMAILS, or in fact referral to a "fixer" - someone who handles all the paperwork for you: these are very common for people with migration issues, and it turns out there are TRAVEL AGENTS who do it for you here.
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calsimsek



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fact non Turks can get married in Turkey, but not by the Turks the marriage licence must be submited some where. If one of the parties is not a citizen than that state can not marry you off. You can book a wedding reception, wear a dress and the rest. Yet it will have no legal meaning. How in Gods name is the U$ goverment to know that you got married here unless you inform them. Since a Turkish Degree means little in the west, why do you think a marriage licence will. A licence can only given to the parties if they are some how legal here. This does not stop you getting married in a church. The Turkish state does not accept religous unions here. The church can give you a letter that you can submit to you Gov't and have the union accepted that way.
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ImanH



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had understood that one had to be married by the local authorities, irrespective of one's nationality. It was driving me crazy so I did some research.
Both the UK and the US embassy websites indicate that non-Turkish nationals can be legally married by the Turkish authorities.
See for example:
http://www.britishembassy.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1057657712322
http://ankara.usembassy.gov/CONSULAR/ACSMRYG.HTM
This is what the US embassy says about the marriage of US citizens abroad:

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Who May Perform Marriages Abroad
American diplomatic and consular officers are NOT permitted to perform marriages (Title 22, Code of Federal Regulations 52.1). Marriages abroad are almost always performed by local (foreign) civil or religious officials.
As a rule, marriages are not performed on the premises of an American embassy or consulate. The validity of marriages abroad is not dependent upon the presence of an American diplomatic or consular officer, but upon adherence to the laws of the country where the marriage is performed. Consular officers may authenticate foreign marriage documents. The fee for authentication of a document is $32.00.

Validity of Marriages Abroad
In general, marriages which are legally performed and valid abroad are also legally valid in the United States. Inquiries regarding the validity of a marriage abroad should be directed to the attorney general of the state in the United States where the parties to the marriage live.


In addition, according to this website http://www.turkeytravelplanner.com/SpecialInterest/WeddingHoneymoon/marriage_law.html for individuals of different nationalities who are not Turkish they have to be married by the Turkish authorities. The same applies to foreigners marrying Turkish citizens, but foreigners of the same nationality may be married by either the Turkish authorities or their embassy or consulate.

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Foreigners of Different Nationalities
If you and your spouse-to-be are of different nationalities, and neither of you is a Turkish citizen, your marriage must be conducted by a Turkish official. The foreign national must obtain a document from the proper authorities in his or her own country attesting to fitness for marriage: a marriage license or statement (Evlenme Ehliyet Belgesi) from embassy or consular authorities resident in Turkey. (See Additional Requirements and Necessary Documents below).


monkel, good luck getting your consulate to help and, of course, with the wedding.
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calsimsek



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I know when to eat my words sorry. I thought I knew this place well.
Still I think you'll have a tough time getting all this through to the local Turks
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monkel



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

of course it will be hard - the paperwork required by communist vietnam is NOTHING compared to here - but we are checking it out as an option as we have a lot of time on our hands now..... Very Happy and i'm thinking it'll cut down on the immigration confusion (and length of time i have to wait to be able to legally work) when we move to germany, where we are also non-citizens.

thanks iman for your positive suggestions!
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