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basiltherat



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:30 am    Post subject: Does New mean Better Reply with quote

A part time colleague was shuffling through our supp material library one day last week and claimed he was surprised to see some quite old textbooks from years gone by.

"Gee ! You're not still using this, are you ??", he said, flipping through a copy of Meanings Into Words (first published in 1983).

Since I have been responsible for stocking the library from the very beginning (it hadnt existed before), I asked him why he was so surprised.

"This is ancient. No one uses this stuff anymore !"

I am not suggesting that we should rush to use anything from publications like English 900 (can anyone remember that series ?) which adopted a completely different methodology from the ones now. But some tasks in older publications; such as from Meanings Into Words, work as well if not better than some of the exercises provided imn many of the more recent published textbooks.

What do you think about stuff like MIW. Do any of you still use textbooks from years gone by to supp ?

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basil
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Teacher in Rome



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely.

I don't generally use the books as such, but I "adapt" the ideas and put them into different contexts.

Other old stuff that I have dipped into for inspiration is Streamline - not for the methodology, but for the cartoon style. Some students really like to see picture stories and it can be a break from a more text-based approach.

I also like the old Pairwork A and B (Peter Watson-somebody).
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dyak



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like old books too. They're far more adaptable as there's much less spoon-feeding, and often the material is more challenging. I find old books are more colloquial, certainly the British ones, and they don't sound as forced as some of the newer ones. Leafing through the fossilised remains of 'True to Life', 'Pre-Intermediate Matters' and 'Reward' is quite amusing.
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dmb



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a soft spot for the NECC. I t was the first book that I ever 'taught' from and I still dip into it occasionally. What was your first course book?
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Streamline 1" is still the best thing around for teaching basic grammar points.

the advantage of "Meaning Into Words" is that the activities are short. You don't get the "�Jo qu� s�?" response from bored teenagers which often greets any attempt at lengthier discussion. It is however somewhat boring, though the levels the two volumes deal with are the most difficult to teach in my opinion.

I would probably still consider using the first, blue, Meaning Into Words again. I definitely wouldn't use it two years on the trot.
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basiltherat



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What was your first course book?


English 900 series back in 1976. At the time it was regarded as the best thing since sliced .....
Amazingly some people actually came out of tthe six-book series speaking very well but of course it always depended wat the question was.
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmb wrote:
What was your first course book?

The main textbook series at the first school where I taught EFL (short stint in the mid-'90s) was Side by Side. The first textbook series used at my second place of employment as an EFL teacher (mid-'90s to present) was Blueprint. A few years later Matters replaced Blueprint.
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ls650



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Does New mean Better Reply with quote

basiltherat wrote:
"Gee ! You're not still using this, are you ??", he said, flipping through a copy of Meanings Into Words (first published in 1983).
"This is ancient. No one uses this stuff anymore !"


Your colleague sounds like a bit of an asshat. If you found something in a textbook that worked for people 20 years ago, why wouldn't it work now?

Right now I'm learning Spanish with the help of a textbook published in 1969. It may be old but it seems to be working for me.
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Will.



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an edition from 1941 that I find invaluable, it is full of great stuff of real interest to students.
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