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Lucky99



Joined: 08 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 8:42 am    Post subject: leaving poland Reply with quote

I am about to leave Poland for good, but i have a question. When i leave, my 3 month visa will expire ten days before i leave the country. I was wondering if this is going to be a big deal and should i make arrangements to try and leave and come back before this time in order to renew my visa?
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tbiehl2000



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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. That's a really good question. I may be in the same boat. I'd like to add one more question. HOw long does a person have to leave the country for in order to renew their tourist stamp? I'm talking about Americans, Canadians etc. I heard from one person that all you have to do is cross the border and then you can just turn around and come back and I heard from another guy that you should be gone for 72 hours. Anyone know anything about this?
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junkmail



Joined: 19 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 12:12 pm    Post subject: Re: leaving poland Reply with quote

Lucky99 wrote:
I am about to leave Poland for good, but i have a question. When i leave, my 3 month visa will expire ten days before i leave the country. I was wondering if this is going to be a big deal and should i make arrangements to try and leave and come back before this time in order to renew my visa?

My advice is general, but never overstay your visa anywhere. Go to immigration and ask for an extension.
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tbiehl2000



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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that's the obvious answer. Fact is there's not enough time...at least not for me. It's run for the border! You're advice might be good for someone who would never work illegally in a foreign country. I can get the same advice you gave from my Mother!
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Alex Shulgin



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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbiehl2000 wrote:
Well that's the obvious answer. Fact is there's not enough time...at least not for me. It's run for the border! You're advice might be good for someone who would never work illegally in a foreign country. I can get the same advice you gave from my Mother!



Your comments show you shouldn't be here teaching English. Professional EFL teachers should know the difference between "your" and "you're". You clearly don't. If you don't like the advice then don't come here looking for it. If you want to work here legally then jump thru' all the hoops like the rest of us had to do. Or just leave. There are more than enough idiots "teeching Engleesh" as it is.
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tbiehl2000



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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. Not very nice. Yes I realized that I used 'you're' when I should have used 'your'. I realized it after I posted it. Making a typo doesn't make me unfit to teach English. Maybe my words were a bit strong but fact is I AM teaching illegally and there are plenty of us out here doing it. Maybe I'm just not as holy as you are. Alright I will stop the insults and sarcasm. I appreciated the advice you gave me earlier concerning the visa run. Wait a minute...you're (not 'your') the same guy that told me I didn't need to cross the border for any specified amount of time! Maybe you just saw my 'fighting' words and wanted to come after me?? Well whatever the case I'd still like to know if anyone knows for sure how long a person should leave Poland for in order to renew their tourist visa.
And just because I don't like someone's advice doesn't mean I won't continue looking for it here. 95 percent of the advice I get here is helpful. I'm sorry if I disappointed you Alex by not getting my work permit. Smile
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tbiehl2000



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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OH and 'junkmail' perhaps I owe you an apology concerning the comment about advice from my mother. I appreciate people's advice even if I can't use it.
If a novice skier was skiing too fast and broke his leg, he'd want to know where the nearest hospital was. I don't think he'd be interested in hearing advice about how he should not have been skiing so fast (even if it's true). Cheers!
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Alex Shulgin



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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbiehl2000 wrote:
Well whatever the case I'd still like to know if anyone knows for sure how long a person should leave Poland for in order to renew their tourist visa.
And just because I don't like someone's advice doesn't mean I won't continue looking for it here. 95 percent of the advice I get here is helpful. I'm sorry if I disappointed you Alex by not getting my work permit. :)


You aren't just disappointing me. You're making the profession worse for teachers and students. There is no excuse for working illegally. Getting a work permit is not that complex and it is not that expensive. Not getting one encourages cowboy schools and the cowboy teachers they employ. Decent schools which do take care to employ professional teachers are at a disadvantage because they have to pay higher costs and so need to charge higher prices.

And to tell you again: you need to leave Poland. There is no minimum time which you have to be out of the country for.
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tbiehl2000



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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're (not 'your') right. I ought to be working legally. And concerning the visa run I wanted to get a second opinion since I heard from someone else that I should be out of the country for 72 hours (not that I don't trust you).
And I do think that securing a work permit is a bit complex...for an American or Canadian anyway. Sometimes it is very impractical. A school may need the services of a native speaker immediately. As an American, should I fly home and spend 8 weeks applying for a work permit or agree to substitute teach for a few days illegally? I refuse to be that tightly wound concerning legal or illegal work.
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Michael Gaylord



Joined: 09 Oct 2004
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Location: Kalisz, Poland

PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 7:34 pm    Post subject: additional VISA questions... Reply with quote

Whew!
Sounds like there's potential for getting "trapped" outside of Poland, or illegally inside (hmmm, which would be worse?) under the right circumstances.
I was wondering how to avoid such a pitfall of my own in the next month. My work contract is ending in a month, don't have a new one yet (for the fall), but I may want to come back and visit Poland (after exploring Eastern Europe) in August. Is it as simple as just making sure that I leave here BEFORE/ or on the date of my CONTRACT ending, and then hanging on to my CANADIAN PASSPORT and showing it at the border when I return?
Or, do I have to LEAVE NOW and get a tourist visa in Berlin. But, if I did that, will I risk NOT GETTING BACK into POLAND now (before the end of June, that is) because I didn't get the RESIDENCY STATUS during my past year hear?
Sounds like a potential conumdrum...any light shed on these questions would sure be appreciated.

Mike
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Alex Shulgin



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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get trapped both inside and outside Poland, I know people whom it has happened to. Getting stuck outside is probably worse if you have a lot of stuff because you need to arrange for somebody to pack it all up and ship it to you. Getting stuck inside is worse if you're short of cash because the fine you have to pay gets bigger everyday.

With all this said I have only ever known three people who actually went through the deportation process. One was a man with pretty serious mental health issues who was extradited to the UK to answer charges that he murdered his wife and mother-in-law (he was actually dragged out of class by the police - great PR for the school). One was a woman who reported herself for overstaying because she had no money for a plane ticket home and fancied a free ride. She was locked up for and told she'd be doing 28 days before they deported her. Luckily we got the embassy involved and they covered her plane ticket home and the fine. The other was an American man whose girlfriend reported him for overstaying so she could live in the flat he owned by herself. He changed his name as soon as he got to the USA and was back about three weeks later with his new passport. I think he actually got residency after that.
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Kymro



Joined: 19 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex Shulgin wrote:
Your comments show you shouldn't be here teaching English. Professional EFL teachers should know the difference between "your" and "you're". You clearly don't.


The kind of typo everyone makes from time to time ...........
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Kymro



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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex Shulgin wrote:
One was a man with pretty serious mental health issues who was extradited to the UK to answer charges that he murdered his wife and mother-in-law (he was actually dragged out of class by the police - great PR for the school).


Are these the 'professional' schools and teachers whose standards you are so anxious to protect?
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gregoryfromcali



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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Location: People's Republic of Shanghai

PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And to tell you again: you need to leave Poland. There is no minimum time which you have to be out of the country for.


Alex anwsered your question for you correctly.
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tbiehl2000



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Greg.
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