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dmb
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 Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 12:39 pm Post subject: Aspects of non verbal communication |
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| It is estimated that less than ten percent of interpersonal communication involves words, the remainder being made up of voice tone, sounds and a variety of devices such as kinetics |
This is taken from an article written by Steve Darn. Bearing the above quote in mind how do you deal with non verbal communication in the classroom?
http://iteslj.org/Articles/Darn-Nonverbal/ |
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Baba Alex
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Aspects of non verbal communication |
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There's a quite a few Hand signals used in Turkish which are very bizarre (or even offensive) in England, when I have freinds coming over they tend to look at me like I'm a mad man when I'm talking my broken Turkish.
I encourage my students to realise this, and strees the importance of NVC in speaking/conversation classes. Often they look very disinterested when speaking to their friends in English, so I place NVC quite high up in the speaking rubric, much to everyones annoyance. |
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ghost
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:01 am Post subject: nonverbal communication |
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| It is estimated that less than ten percent of interpersonal communication involves words, the remainder being made up of voice tone, sounds and a variety of devices such as kinetics |
This is why many people prefer to communicate via e-mail, text messaging and so forth. In real life communication there are many distractions and peripheral things going on which can distort or weaken the objective of the sender of the message.
This is another reason that some teachers do well in the classroom (good pedagogues) because their non verbal behaviour exudes competence and authority. Other teachers who may master the subject matter perfectly do not project positive non-verbal signals, and are penalized as a consequence - with misbehaviour and general disinterest manifestations from students.
Non verbal behaviour is of key importance in human relationships, and while some things can be learned in that department - such as good listening behaviour (smiling, nodding, voicing approval through "um" sounds) - other things pertaining to non verbal behaviour are pretty well entrenched in an individual by the time she/he reaches adolescence.
Cultural norms also play a part, with nationals of some countries finding it perfectly normal to interrupt the speaker, while citizens of other countries find this behaviour rude and selfish.
Case in point - many foreign teachers of English in Turkey are shocked and demoralized by the constant lack of control displayed by Turkish students when it comes to respecting the right of someone to speak in class without interruptions and contributions by others.
People from Turkey, the Middle East, North Africa etc.....love to talk and verbalize everything they see, hear and feel....and this is rather surprising, as much of what is being discussed could be considered banal and obvious. Nordics and some orientals (Japanese) feel comfortable with conversations and contact with others which incorporate periods of silence. Words, as such, would not add quality to the communication situation already taking place. |
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ImanH
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| People from Turkey, the Middle East, North Africa etc.....love to talk and verbalize everything they see, hear and feel....and this is rather surprising, as much of what is being discussed could be considered banal and obvious. |
ghost, while there are those that attempt to make generalisations such as this regarding the "norms" of verbal communication within society and similarities between certain societies, in general most agree that even within a society there are marked differences in verbal and non-verbal communication, and that these actually serve as social markers of differences, for instance of class, but most notably gender.
These debates, in any case, usually refer to pronunciation, vocabulary choice, communicative style, and so on, and not content; which is even more difficult to generalise about.
As far as I am aware, when one does hear generalisations regarding the areas you mention, they tend to contradict your representation. Take for example this description of the nature of verbal communication in North Africa by one scholar (van Binsbergen), who has worked extensively in the area:
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| every sentence is, even more than elsewhere, a maze of multiple meanings and references, and above all of contradictions and gradations of the truth |
If anything, the only banal thing here is your post. If by saying that I offend you I apologise. My purpose is to illustrate how statements such as these can be construed as insulting and, when directed at entire nationalities, races/ethnicities and/or geographic regions, simply prejudiced. |
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ghost
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:48 am Post subject: check this |
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| every sentence is, even more than elsewhere, a maze of multiple meanings and references, and above all of contradictions and gradations of the truth |
This is true, because in Maghreb countries (North Africa) - they are high context cultures - where non-verbals play a large part in addition to the verbal message being sent. Turkey and Southern European countries also fall within the high context cultures.
High context cultures utilize non verbals a lot in their communication, but are also very verbal in their total output....that is arabs love to talk and socialize for hours....
Low context cultures (North America and Northern Euro. cultures) need to have things spelled out verbally - but then do not need as much constant peripheral verbal interaction.
Interesting to note that in high context cultures, friendships are nurtured and frequent contact is needed. The friendships tend to last a long time, and most people in high context cultures have many friends that they can rely on.
The opposite is true for low context cultures (North America/Northern Europe etc..) where people have far fewer friends, and when they do have friends the relationships are often transitory and rather ephemeral in nature. Ghost met many people from low context cultures who had no friends at all. But the phantom never met a person from a high context culture who did not have a wide circle of people they could rely on in times of need. More friends for sure.....
Check out this site for more details between High and Low context cultures.
http://www.cba.uni.edu/buscomm/nonverbal/Culture.htm |
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ImanH
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| Thanks for the link, ghost. However, as I indicated in my previous post, given that I view the merits of research that result in such types of generalisations as specious at best and dangerous at worst, you'll understand why I don't feel the need to look at it. |
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ghost
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:08 am Post subject: reality check |
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| specious at best and dangerous at worst |
Generalizations can be misleading, but they merit a certain amount of consideration, because they can be a rough guide for a subject.
Example: Nordics have the reputation of being rather quiet and reserved compared with certain Southern European Nationals......a generalization....but guess what - quite a bit of truth in that when you compare random samples of people from both groups.
One should not have a problem with that. |
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ImanH
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:22 am Post subject: Re: reality check - indeed |
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| One should not have a problem with that. |
Being that one is trained as an anthropologist one does indeed have a problem with that. One particularly has a problem with it since it encourages lay persons to make fallacious comments such as:
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| People from Turkey, the Middle East, North Africa etc.....love to talk and verbalize everything they see, hear and feel....and this is rather surprising, as much of what is being discussed could be considered banal and obvious. |
One also has a problem with being told what one should or should not have a problem with. |
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31
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:33 am Post subject: anthropologist??? |
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| ImanH wrote: |
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Being that one is trained as an anthropologist .[/quote]
Reminds me of going to Sali Pazari and bargaining with one of the street sellers. He said "'I won`t bargain. I`m an engineer.''
Don`t you work at one of those fake ''universities?'' |
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ImanH
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Aah 31. I was wondering when you would direct your charming attentions at me.
Thank you for not making me feel left out.   |
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Baba Alex
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: anthropologist??? |
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Being that one is trained as an anthropologist . |
Reminds me of going to Sali Pazari and bargaining with one of the street sellers. He said "'I won`t bargain. I`m an engineer.''
Don`t you work at one of those fake ''universities?'' |
I'm not gay, I'm a magician |
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yaramaz
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay.
BTW what exactly is a fake uni? Is it made of plastic and pvc and full of plaster mannequins perched on sticks, facing a tape recorder on a loop? Sounds quite dali esque. I could go for that. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:15 pm Post subject: Yeditepe, Kultur, Newport, Marmara, Beykent, Baskent, Bilgi, |
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BTW what exactly is a fake uni? |
During the 90s some scumbag businessmen took advantage of the lax laws which were designed to encourage education in Turkey. They were able to set up a foundation which is another word for business that they themselves controlled and actually receive substantial sums from the state because they were promoting education. Hey presto you are a university. You then get students to pay 7000 dollars a year and being a business you guarantee they pass and take anyone. To get round the uni exam you take people with 120 points but those who cannot even get this low score you have a ''special skills'' exam and everyone passes. The building is usually 1 block which you or your land rich family has knocked uo on the cheap. Most were not designed to be unis but hospitals, office blocks etc. but were pressed into service when scumbag owner realised that there was more money in selling degrees for 30-4o 000 dolllars a piece than in selling Moldovan women or flogging cheap flats.
To make more money in a fake uni if you don`t want to actually attend the 4 years and 1 year of prep you just see the owner and buy the degree outright.
The uni also makes money on the canteen and all books are usually from an obscure publisher and the uni gets a cut of that too. Unis also sometimes have a student dormitory where the owner makes money on the rent and charges huge amounts for electric, water etc. 1 private uni even charges the students for renting the hoover, using the washing machine and has 24 hour canteen delivery service.
Fake unis also do the usual language school scams like not paying SSK, employing backpackers and alkies.
Such fake unis of course do none of what a real uni does ie. research, higher degrees etc. and exists solely to make a profit and scam ding dongs.
''She`s got double-D`s! You just can`t cover those suckers UP!''
Jessica Simpson`s dad. |
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yaramaz
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Faustino
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Can anyone give me a list of fake Unis in Turkey?
Oh yeah, and why would we ever take a tape recorder into class?
'Ok guys, today we're going to do an exercise that will help you with about 0.03% of the 10% of communication that is actually verbal.' |
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