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MeyeQui



Joined: 23 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:42 am    Post subject: Lloyds Money Transfers Reply with quote

Sorry, I'm new to the whole world of sending money home. I live in a small town on Kyushu and for some strange reason -maybe because of the earth's tilt- the post office cannot arrange a money transfer directly to my bank. YThey only do person to person transfers which by the way would take over a month and inconvinience the person back home who'd have to go to my bank and make the deposit.

So I discovered Lloyds which does international transfers. It's based outta Tokyo though. So my question is:

Can I open an account with them and do remittances from here on Kyushu?? I currently have a bank account with Oita Bank and my bank back home is a CIBC in Montreal, Canada.

Thank you.
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worldwidealive



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you should be able to do exactly what you are saying. I have used Lloyd's several times and find their service to be great. You may already know, but their site is at http://www.golloyds.com. If I submit by 3pm in Japan, due to the time difference, my money is sitting in my US bank by midnight in Japan.

Once you have an active account with them you can do a domestic transfer (a "furikomi") using your bank's ATM into your Lloyd's account and they sweep the money out and into your Canadian bank that same day. Very easy. When they send your account infortmation they will also send a letter in Japanese that you can show to a bank employee to help you through the ATM functions if your Japanese ability is weak.

A word of advice about Lloyds - I find that their exchange rates are very good. But, remember that with each transfer you will likely pay your Japanese bank about 500 Yen for the domestic transfer, another 2000 Yen as a service fee from Lloyds, and a $10 CAD fee from the intermediary bank that they use in Canada, which happens to be CIBC. Then, if your account at home charges for an inbound wire transfer you'll pay that. In a nutshell, depending on your situation, you'll pay anywhere around 3500 - 5000 Yen per transaction. The good exchange rate and the fast service may be worth it, but if your financial situation allows, it is best to only send money after you have saved up for awhile. Costs are per transcaction and don't go up based on the amount you remit.

WWA
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canuck



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The above information is correct. I send money to Canada all the time. If you don't want to set up the Lloyds thing, you could send money to a relative through the post office and have them deposit it into your account in Canada.

I set everything up with Lloyds and send through my UFJ bank account. It costs 2000 yen, plus I pay $10 at the Royal Bank in Canada. I have internet banking set up, so I can see the money arrive in my account and do my banking over the internet.
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voodoochild



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good exchange rate? i dunno about that ...they peg 3 yen to the pound.. check the real time rates here http://www.dailyfx.com/FinanceChart.html?symbol=GBP/JPY and then check the rates on www.golloyds.com
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

voodoochild wrote:
Good exchange rate? i dunno about that ...they peg 3 yen to the pound.. check the real time rates here http://www.dailyfx.com/FinanceChart.html?symbol=GBP/JPY and then check the rates on www.golloyds.com


Yes, but tell me where you can exchange at those "real rates"? Nowhere. Go into any currency exchange office and see the differences between the buy and sell rates. Usually there is about a 8-10% difference. So it is useless to go by the "real rate" as the average person cannot exchange money at that rate.

I find golloyds as competitive as any bank or currency office I've been in.
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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:21 am    Post subject: Re: Lloyds Money Transfers Reply with quote

MeyeQui wrote:
Can I open an account with them and do remittances from here on Kyushu?? I currently have a bank account with Oita Bank and my bank back home is a CIBC in Montreal, Canada.


I'm not sure if you are clear on how this works exactly... The physical location of Lloyds has no bearing on your ability to open an account with them... Here is a brief explanation of the procedure.

1. Go to the golloyds.com website and print out an application form.
2. Fill it out. They will need to know: - your Canadian bank information (you may have to phone CIBC if you don't have all the details); your Japanese bank info (name of bank, branch, type of account, account nbr) and a reason for sending money.
3. HANKO (red stamp) it!!!
4. Mail it back to Lloyds.

Note: They must have an original hanko on record hence the above steps are not flexible. You must mail an original document to them.

5. Receive a letter back from Lloyds in the mail. Bring the Japanese copy of the letter to your Japanese bank and get them to show you how to do a "furikomi" bank transfer using the ATM machine.
6. Wait a couple business days for the transfer to complete. Expect to pay: 2,000 yen to Lloyds, about 600-ish yen to your bank for the furikomi transfer, and about $10 CDN to your Canadian bank.
7. Receive a confirmation letter from Lloyds in the mail about 4-5 days after everything has gone through.
8. Rinse. Repeat.
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worldwidealive



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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3. HANKO (red stamp) it!!!


Maybe picky, but a Hanko isn't needed. A signature will do. Don't get me started on the worthless concept of hankos... Rolling Eyes
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worldwidealive



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So it is useless to go by the "real rate" as the average person cannot exchange money at that rate.


Agreed. You're looking at "bank rates" Voodoo which apply to large banks and international financial markets. If you're Citibank, well then, Lloyd's is indeed a bad deal.

I can't speak for the pound, but Lloyd's runs about 1 yen more than the average bank rate on the US dollar, which in my book is pretty darn good. Of course they also get their 2000 Yen fee. I'd say they still make out well, for probably sending little more electronic data than this post will require.

WWA
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ERINJK



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use Llyods every month. You can transfer from anywhere in Japan into their account. As long as you have access to a bank machine you are fine.

I find with Royal Bank in Canada if the transfer is under $1000 it costs you $10. Anything over $1000 costs you $20. With CIBC check it out on their website or phone them!

You don't need to stamp it, a signature will be fine.
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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

worldwidealive wrote:

Maybe picky, but a Hanko isn't needed. A signature will do. Don't get me started on the worthless concept of hankos... Rolling Eyes


Whatever... Either way, my point stands. Hanko or signature, they need an original document -- fax applications are not accepted.
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Dominique



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to UFJ Bank and I had the remittance form filled out and all. They wouldnt take it because they said that they had no idea what the hell i was talking about.
They said I just need to transfer via UFJ to my home branch. I really really wish I had an English person to speak to at that bank because i was going to my dad who had no idea what the hell I wanted to do either.
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canuck



Joined: 11 May 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dominique wrote:
I went to UFJ Bank and I had the remittance form filled out and all. They wouldnt take it because they said that they had no idea what the hell i was talking about.
They said I just need to transfer via UFJ to my home branch. I really really wish I had an English person to speak to at that bank because i was going to my dad who had no idea what the hell I wanted to do either.


To set up Llyods to work with your bank account at UFJ, you need to input the information for the furikomi transfer. You have to input that information into the bank machine. Try going with a Japanese friend.

Or UFJ offers a service where you can go into a booth, show them the where you want to send money etc, and they will do it, but it costs 4500 yen.
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