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Milo.Minderbinder

Joined: 20 Dec 2004 Posts: 10 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:21 am Post subject: Open letter to schools in Beijing |
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Milo�s Plans and Problems at XYZ School
I�m writing this letter to try to help you make a better school, and many of the items in here apply to most of the English schools in Beijing. A collegue of mine recently remarked that poorly trained English teachers have ruined a generation of young Chinese � I must agree with this. I care about my job and the students, and I�m sick of the terrible English schools in Beijing.
The book is horrible. The audio-lingual method (substitution exercises) is terribly out-dated and is de-motivating for the students. It�s also too teacher-centered. I learned several excellent teaching methods in the CELTA class and I plan on using them. Sorry, but I�m not going to do any substitution exercises.
I have a lot of interesting and motivating material to use to teach the students, but it involves a lot of photocopying. I don�t want to spend a lot of time on this personally but I also want to do a good job. I really don�t want to work for XYZ if it�s going to be a problem or time-consuming to get you to pay for the copies for the classes.
I must tell you that while I think that while XYZ is good at marketing and selling classes you really have no idea how to teach English. I can say this because I have taught for you for one year and I have seen the material you use, the teachers you hire and your teacher-training program, which is non-existent. I also spent about five years teaching at a different school with a similar approach here in Beijing.
Actually, I use XYZ as a joke to my friends (without naming the school). I was called in to the X branch for training last year and you wanted to teach me about the history of XYZ School and take a test on it? I almost quit the school right then, and maybe I should have. (A little hint; if it�s important to you that the teachers know the history of your school, put it on a nice little, framed poster on the wall and if/when we�ve time we�ll take a look at it and learn it if we want to. It�s a much better way than cramming it down someone�s throat).
I�m a little upset that I wasn�t given a raise this year. I�ve been working at XYZ for one year now and in MY culture it�s customary to receive raises on a regular basis. I myself have been teaching here in Beijing since 2000 and made RMB 120 an hour then. If you want to keep experienced teachers you will have to do better.
I neither called in sick nor was late for class last year, and I helped out with substituting for less reliable teachers whenever I could, including teaching on Christmas Eve and New Year�s Eve.* I also feel that I did the best I could teaching the students, given the circumstances.
I really feel that while almost everyone at XYZ is nice to the foreign teachers and respectful to us, you don�t really take us seriously nor consider the fact that some of us want to be (or are) PROFESSIONAL teachers and that we look at it as a career.
We aren�t ALL a bunch of backpackers looking to have a �China experience� for a short time or misfit losers who can�t make it in the West.
Personally, the only reason that I worked for XYZ last year is because it was close to my home. The new branch isn�t so convenient and it will cost me about RMB 30 in taxi fees, and more time for every class session, yet I was offered NO RAISE!
I�m not an English teacher because making money is important to me. If it were, then I would return to America and resume my regular job. However, I have expenses like everyone else. Also, I read in the paper that average wages in China rose nearly 8% last year.
I feel that you don�t care about me because I received absolutely no bonus last year, not even a box of moon cakes � and of course, no raise this year.
So, let�s see what happens. My parents are coming in a few months and if the situation doesn�t improve before then I will probably go home and leave you in China to your poorly paid, untrained, backpacker teachers.
Additionally, I�m offended by the time clock, which I continue to refuse to use. It�s not professional. In my opinion, if you hired professional teachers you wouldn�t need to use it. The time clock clearly shows the type of �teachers� you are accustomed to dealing with, but at this rate of pay it�s not surprising. It�s very obvious that you normally deal with teachers who aren�t serious about their jobs. Time clocks, written schedules given to us like we�re children, calling me three times last Friday to remind me that I had a class that evening. A little ridiculous. (Another hint; If a teacher is often late or forgets to show up to class, fire them and hire someone serious about their job. You�ll almost certainly have to pay more though).
Your teachers MIGHT be good if you gave them some training. Lxxx told me on the phone that no teacher had ever asked for photocopies before so this immediately tells me that you�ve never had a properly trained teacher at your school.
I highly recommend the University of Cambridge CELTA course that I took. It�s expensive and a month of intensive work but I really learned a lot.
This is the link for info about the CELTA from Cambridge;
http://www.cambridgeesol.org/teaching/
This is the link to the school where I took the course in Beijing;
http://www.languagelink.com.cn/celta/index.htm
I�ve heard stories from some of the full-time teachers that you are holding their passports for several months? When I got my Z visa from another school, it took a week, maybe less. I don�t want to accuse you of anything but stories like this don�t give me confidence that you are reputable people. Once again, if you pay a decent salary you will get decent teachers who are serious about their jobs and you won�t need to hold their passports.
We must certainly have a face-to-face meeting to address these problems if I�m to continue working for XYZ.
Sincerely, Milo
* I don�t think you should have class on Christmas and New Years Eves. If asked to teach on either of these two days again, I would pass.
** Also; my girlfriend�s aunt was recently certified in French. Her work unit gave her a RMB 200 a month raise because of it. I spent US$ 1,500 (and a month�s lost wages) getting certified and you offer nothing? Gee, thanks. Why did I bother to get certification, to make more money for you? |
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ChinaMovieMagic
Joined: 02 Nov 2004 Posts: 2102 Location: YangShuo
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:35 am Post subject: |
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From the China Job-related thread:
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THREE BASIC STRATEGIES FOR MOTIVATING TRANSFORMATION
1. Promote the new. Or..."increase the perceived value
of the new idea." This is the principal work of the
Change Agents, but they certainly depend upon the work
of the Innovators, who make a 'cool' product initially.
2. Critique the old. Or..."decrease the perceived value
of the status quo by attacking it, either directly or
subtly, in short, making the old way of doing things
seem uncool. This is generally the work of the
Iconoclasts, though Change Agents also help.
3. Facilitate the switch. "This is the most important
and the least obvious strategy for making change happen.
It is also where many change efforts fail, because they
forget to reduce the perceived cost of making the
change." Believing Cassandra
193-194
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Many of us have focused upon #1 and #2.
What about #3?
One strategy...affiliated w/China-wide group(s) (such as ChinaTefl/Buckland)develop:
*(1)a Website/Intensive Training base for Chinese teacher-training/students
*(2)China-wide tours by groups of FTs/Chinese students--visiting schools, giving Workshops at schools and English Corners
If interested, PM me.
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Part of my #3...I'm using in my classes the movie "Dead Poets Society" and developing materials from the Internet...promoting Role Play/Creative Thinking/etc.
http://www.spiritualityhealth.com/newsh/items/moviereview/item_2821.htm
>Keating's ardent belief that words and ideas can change the world turns out to be true when a tragedy rocks the Academy and the conservative play-it-by-the-book administration make him into the scapegoat. His best students now become rebels with a cause.
Dead Poets Society celebrates nonconformity and freethinking as an adventure worthy of emulation � not your usual movie theme these days. The tale's dramatic finale will stir both your heart and your mind!< |
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burnsie
Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 489 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:20 am Post subject: Re: Open letter to schools in Beijing |
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Milo.Minderbinder wrote: |
Milo�s Plans and Problems at XYZ School
I�m writing this letter to try to help you make a better school, and many of the items in here apply to most of the English schools in Beijing. A collegue of mine recently remarked that poorly trained English teachers have ruined a generation of young Chinese � I must agree with this. I care about my job and the students, and I�m sick of the terrible English schools in Beijing. |
You obviously don't realise your value here as a figure head to attract money. It's not because of the quality of the teaching, it's because the quality of the management and lack of accountability people have for their jobs.
Don't start blaming the the quality of teaching when the system allows it to happen. It's all about quantity - churning out the students. It's not about the quality.
You have been here over 1 year and you still don't get it. You expected to come into another culture and expect that all is the same way at home?
If you keep banging your head against the wall then is the wall going to topple over?
My suggestion is go to another school in Beijing which has quality teaching methods and values their employees or start your own english school. |
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william wallace
Joined: 14 May 2003 Posts: 2869 Location: in between
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:09 am Post subject: |
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Nothing to say.
Last edited by william wallace on Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:59 am; edited 2 times in total |
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mandu
Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 794 Location: china
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:38 am Post subject: |
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I just like to say the letter you wrote i agree with what you wrote.although i teach kindergarten,I can relate to what you have written.I have so many good ideas for kindergarten and feel my talents are wasted.
Im always on time to work and i do care about what i do.I worked for a kindy not so long ago.our English meetings were a waste of time,we got told what to do and we never talked about how to improve English classes i alyways got told i you are on your own by the principle.i was the only western teacher there and they had 3 chinese English teachers we were the English team.but there was no team work.
I prepare well for classes,Iam childcare trained,Im good at teaching nursery and k1 thats where Im at best.i have not done an English teaching course but would like to do one relating to teaching English to kindegarten children.alot of the time i think its very frustrating.it seems like no gives a shit about anything (excuse the french). |
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mandu
Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 794 Location: china
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:40 am Post subject: |
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I just like to say the letter you wrote i agree with what you wrote.although i teach kindergarten,I can relate to what you have written.I have so many good ideas for kindergarten and feel my talents are wasted.
Im always on time to work and i do care about what i do.I worked for a kindy not so long ago.our English meetings were a waste of time,we got told what to do and we never talked about how to improve English classes i alyways got told i you are on your own by the principle.i was the only western teacher there and they had 3 chinese English teachers we were the English team.but there was no team work.
I prepare well for classes,Iam childcare trained,Im good at teaching nursery and k1 thats where Im at best.i have not done an English teaching course but would like to do one relating to teaching English to kindegarten children.alot of the time i think its very frustrating.it seems like no gives a shit about anything (excuse the french). |
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 5:28 am Post subject: |
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I have fellow Chinese English teachers at my school who are just as frustrated by the "crap" as I. We commiserate with each other, but what can we do? TIC, after all (they don't say that, of course - - but they something akin to that!).
I often wonder why it is only Chinese that start up language schools? Are foreigners allowed to organize and open their own schools here? Or, if not, why not find a silent (Chinese) partner who will sign his names on all the necessary documents and maybe show his face from time to time at photo-ops? I realize, of course, that the start-up costs could be dear, but if 4 or 5 FTs/Business people would get together and organize this venture, who's to say it wouldn't be successful? Imagine, you not only running the business (with co-workers), but also directly involved in the recruitment and teaching of the students. Maybe it wouldn't be profitable at first, but who is keeping you from working a side job somewhere, say in a public school, to keep the money flowing?
A Chinese teacher-friend of mine was asking me if I wanted to join in with him in a similar venture but, alas, China is just not doing it for me and I don't have the temerity to stick around any longer. |
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ChinaMovieMagic
Joined: 02 Nov 2004 Posts: 2102 Location: YangShuo
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 5:43 am Post subject: |
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now that my salary is close to that of 10 years ago, I find that financial freedom all but gone |
What happened? Do you mean they reduced your pay?
KEV7161...I'm rooted here. Once I'm mated/married, I will develop a small-scale residential training center--for English/Chinese/TaiChi etc. With all these low-quality (private and public) schools, and so many frustrated FTs, I sense that it's possible to create/survive/prosper...
Again...strategy #3
Curse the Darkness...
Light a candle... |
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:40 am Post subject: |
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Some - but not all! - of the observations hit something in my nerve system. However, what's the good of ranting in a forum for professionals? You should go public.
The main culprit are not the school masters, believe me. For education to be useful the mindset of parents would have to change first of all. No matter how enlightened a school master is the parents have the last word. And the parents have a mindset that was formed 30 or 20 years ago. At that time, English was not a compulsory subject. It has become popular mainly through government propaganda, not from practical insight. Parents think their own little emperor will be cleverer than themselves because they give him a "chance" of learning English which he can then put to patriotic use. If learning a subject is driven by "patriotism", then you can forget about its practical usefulness. This explains to a large extent why it is that Chinese assess the English competence of their own students; it should by right be FTs, shouldn't it?
But some FTs are part of the problem; they come here "to repay my debt" (as so many hint) or to have fun. FTs should be deployed to introduce better teaching styles to aspiring English teachers. They shouldn't be wasted for holding "oral English" courses. Unfortunately, quite a number of FTs actually believe "teaching oral English" to be a very worthy goal. Yes, of course - you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you... |
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A Token of My Extreme

Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 76
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Open letter to schools in Beijing |
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Milo.Minderbinder wrote: |
Milo�s Plans and Problems at XYZ School
The book is horrible. The audio-lingual method (substitution exercises) is terribly out-dated and is de-motivating for the students. It�s also too teacher-centered. I learned several excellent teaching methods in the CELTA class and I plan on using them. Sorry, but I�m not going to do any substitution exercises. |
The audio-lingual method is not horrible, it is CELTA teachers who are horrible, always pretending they have something better to 'change to', and the reliable and effective methods are 'out dated' or 'boring'. It is CELTA methods which are boring, and that 90's CELTA which is outdated.
WHY??? Because students learn better with the audio-lingual than any of the CELTA methods, regardless of all your negative 'mind bending' propaganda about it. Even giving the CELTA teachers what should be an easy break by having them teach and compete with the non-native speakers using the audio-lingual from Africa, South America, even drunk cowboys; repeatedly the student results and satisfaction are always better with the non-native teachers or native teachers using the audio-lingual.
AUDIO LINGUAL is #1 baby!!!!!
My Extreme, My Way and even My Dingaling are not surprised you are working at an audio-lingual school: CELTA teachers are like parasites, as Nietzsche says "Maggots in the Bread of Life", likewise CELTAs are maggots in the profession of ESL , with their negative 'if only I had a photo copier' pessimistic rabble babble hallucinations about how everyone should teach, and their......like, oh we're soooooooo superior.......... like.... gag me with a spoon!!........For sure!!!!......Totally! If a photo copier is the tool that learning English so much depends, then why are so many people able to teach and learn English with out one?
What you really need, Mindbender, is to learn a song....like 'Bobby Brown', by Frank Zappa, that song would be right for you .......and your students would want you to sing it every class and you might become more interesting than the non-native speakers; and therefore, and most importantly,.......you would seem soooooooo superior to everyone!! And,.....you wouldn't, like, need a photo copier!!!!
Milo.Minderbinder wrote: |
I have a lot of interesting and motivating material to use to teach the students, but it involves a lot of photocopying. I don�t want to spend a lot of time on this personally but I also want to do a good job. I really don�t want to work for XYZ if it�s going to be a problem or time-consuming to get you to pay for the copies for the classes. |
CELTA Teachers could photocopy the entire internet and still not motivate and interest students the way My Extreme does with Extreme audio-lingual, or My Way does with his own way, or My Dingaling does with.....its Dingaling, or the non-native teachers can with the audio-lingual.
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ChinaMovieMagic
Joined: 02 Nov 2004 Posts: 2102 Location: YangShuo
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:53 am Post subject: |
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http://www.nald.ca/fulltext/stranger/Chap2/pg13.htm
2.4 The Vision of Language Learning in the 21st Century
<<...a constructivist view of learning suggests an approach to teaching that givers learners the opportunity for concrete, contextually meaningful experience through which they can search for patterns, raise their own questions, and construct their own models, concepts, and strategies. The classroom in this model is seen as a mini-society, a community of learners engaged in activity, discourse and reflection. (p. ix) >>
This chapter has provided a summary of approaches and of the use of technology in the teaching of FSFL for the past 100 years. The evolution of approaches described in this chapter culminated with the new era of language learning characterized by a reliance on constructivist philosophy. The evolution of technology use described in this chapter culminated with Technology Enhanced Language Learning. If we combine the new era of language learning with use of Technology Enhanced Language Learning we have a vision or an ideal for the teaching of FSFL in the 21st century. This vision is characterized by use of an approach which is referred to here as the Digital Approach. This approach relies on use of online learning environments (OLEs) and constructivism applied to language learning.
Whereas the approaches in the 20th century relied essentially on use of traditional environments, the Digital Approach relies essentially on use of OLEs. TLEs are generally structured, organized, censored, controlled and closed, provide a filtered reality and are characterized by sameness and stability. Instruction in these environments follows a linear, sequential pattern, is structured by time and relies on use of the text-book and supports synchronous communication. By contrast, OLEs are open, decentralized, unorganized, unstructured, uncensored, uncontrolled, generate reality and are characterized by sensory-vastness, growth and change. Instruction in these environments follows a non-linear/hypertextual pattern, operates independent of time and supports asynchronous as well as synchronous communication.
Whereas the approaches of the 20th century drew essentially on the principles of behaviourism, the Digital Approach will need to draw on the principles of constructivism. Some of the behaviourist approaches described in this chapter included Grammar-Translation, the Direct Method and the Audio-Lingual Method. These approaches or methods were centered on instruction with activities, techniques, skill-development and resources dictated largely by the underlying behavioural philosophy. The teachers' role was central and knowledge was conceived as a transferable commodity. Communicative Language Teaching based on a humanistic philosophy, rejected many of the tenants of previous approaches and reflected many of the principles of constructivism. However, CLT with its emphasis on one concept - that of communication, failed to provide the philosophical basis needed to define epistemological issues and to guide daily practices.
The new era of language learning draws heavily on constructivist principles as they relate to language learning. Knowledge construction replaces the earlier emphasis on knowledge transmission and reproduction. Students become the centre of the instructional process resulting in a de-emphasis of the role of the teacher as well as that of the curriculum. Students' prior knowledge and conceptions form the starting point for learning experiences. Instead of a predetermined sequence dictated by the curriculum, learning paths are determined by the students' needs and interests. Communication is redefined as a process of social negotiation of meaning and collaborative knowledge sharing. Real-world learning provides for meaningful and purposeful learning activities and experiences. |
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monju
Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 89 Location: Wutaishan, China
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 9:49 am Post subject: |
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WELCOME TO THE TWILIGHT ZONE |
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ChinaMovieMagic
Joined: 02 Nov 2004 Posts: 2102 Location: YangShuo
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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RE:<<WELCOME TO THE TWILIGHT ZONE>>
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