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geekyguy

Joined: 07 Feb 2005 Posts: 150 Location: Shapingba, Chongqing
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:48 am Post subject: Contract Question |
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Can someone explain what happens to a teacher who bails upon receiving their passport back. For the record, I am very happy in my gig but a friend in a nearby large city has been less than thrilled with his employer. They have misled him, changed schools on him and generally jerked him around.
I'm on my first contract here and things are great so I'll ask, is this just the way it goes? If, when he gets his passport back with z-visa, he moves out and looks for another job what retribution can his current employer unleash on him? He has yet to receive any monies from them if this might matter.
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Norman Bethune
Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Posts: 731
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Contract Question |
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geekyguy wrote: |
Can someone explain what happens to a teacher who bails upon receiving their passport back. For the record, I am very happy in my gig but a friend in a nearby large city has been less than thrilled with his employer. They have misled him, changed schools on him and generally jerked him around.
I'm on my first contract here and things are great so I'll ask, is this just the way it goes? If, when he gets his passport back with z-visa, he moves out and looks for another job what retribution can his current employer unleash on him? He has yet to receive any monies from them if this might matter.
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It depends on his employer. Some franchisees at the chain schools may set out to make your friends a living Hello, should he choose to remain in the same city. See the thread here about FT's who have completed their contracts with EF for a hint of what your friend might experience.
Worst case scenarios:
He doesn't get paid anything for the time he has already worked.
False allegations about his conduct are spread via the rumour mill.
Letters denouncing him are sent to all schools in the area advising they not hire him.
The local education committee is informed of the contract breach and his name is placed on a "Blacklist" which everyone says doesn't exist, but will prevent him from getting a job at many public schools in the area.
The PSB knocks on his door and tells him to leave China forthwith since he no longer complies with all "immigration" conditions.
Thugs track him down for a rough conversation about the money he owes the school for things like visa costs they incurred on his behalf.
That's just a few.
This is China. You can never be sure what will happen. |
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:53 am Post subject: Re: Contract Question |
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geekyguy wrote: |
Can someone explain what happens to a teacher who bails upon receiving their passport back. For the record, I am very happy in my gig but a friend in a nearby large city has been less than thrilled with his employer. They have misled him, changed schools on him and generally jerked him around.
I'm on my first contract here and things are great so I'll ask, is this just the way it goes? If, when he gets his passport back with z-visa, he moves out and looks for another job what retribution can his current employer unleash on him? He has yet to receive any monies from them if this might matter.
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I would say such behaviour is dishonest and bordering on crime. His employer is his sponsor, and no one else is entitled to hiring your "friend".
If your school doesn't bother to ask him for a release letter from his current employer then your school is not following protocol either. One year later your firend will then find himself in a tight spot because he cannot get a new work visa.
Don't call every Joe or Joanna "my firend", and don't believe every whiner that his school is victimising him or her! |
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Babala

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 1303 Location: Henan
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:14 am Post subject: |
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Geekguy,
You said that your friend hadn't taken any monies from his employer, but he has. The employer just paid for all his visa processing and they will none too pleased if he just takes off. If he is really displeased with the job he should sit down with the employer and try to work things out. He should offer to pay the school for the visa fees. How long how has been there? What exactly has the school done that your friend feels is wrong? Is this your friend's first experience in China? Some teachers come over with unrealistic expectations of what it's going to be like. Doing a runner is not an option I would advise if he plans to remain in China. |
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geekyguy

Joined: 07 Feb 2005 Posts: 150 Location: Shapingba, Chongqing
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 6:04 am Post subject: Re: Contract Question |
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Norman Bethune wrote: |
It depends on his employer. Some franchisees at the chain schools may set out to make your friends a living Hello, should he choose to remain in the same city. See the thread here about FT's who have completed their contracts with EF for a hint of what your friend might experience. |
I'll look for that thread and pass it along.
Roger wrote: |
I would say such behaviour is dishonest and bordering on crime. His employer is his sponsor, and no one else is entitled to hiring your "friend".
If your school doesn't bother to ask him for a release letter from his current employer then your school is not following protocol either. One year later your firend will then find himself in a tight spot because he cannot get a new work visa.
Don't call every Joe or Joanna "my firend", and don't believe every whiner that his school is victimising him or her! |
Whoa. Roger. No where did I indicate or imply that the school I work for wants to or will hire him. I asked a simple question for someone who doesn't have an account on Dave's and your zealous reply questioning my motives and my level of friendship is kind of insulting.
Babala wrote: |
You said that your friend hadn't taken any monies from his employer, but he has. The employer just paid for all his visa processing and they will none too pleased if he just takes off. If he is really displeased with the job he should sit down with the employer and try to work things out. He should offer to pay the school for the visa fees. How long how has been there? What exactly has the school done that your friend feels is wrong? Is this your friend's first experience in China? Some teachers come over with unrealistic expectations of what it's going to be like. Doing a runner is not an option I would advise if he plans to remain in China. |
I meant that my friend has not been paid a salary yet although he has worked only one month. I don't know his exact level of dissatisfaction but only mentioned it to suggest that if he is truly dissatisfied he would might be willing to waive his first months pay in order to compensate the school.
He has attempted to discuss with the school only to have it devolve into them yelling at him. This is of course second hand but his credibility is high with me.
I ask these questions both to help him find out what his options are as well as to discover if this is how things are. After a horrific initial experience in China, including a screaming Chinese boss that didn't want me to teach but instead to marry for money, I bailed before signing a contract. Since then mine has been awesome experience so I am not familiar with the trappings of the less fortunate.
I expect that regardless of how this plays out for him he'll be joining Dave's soon.
Thank you all for your input. |
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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to the OP: You've only been here for a short while, so you may not understand the attitude of some posters. The fact is that there are many, many previous posters who have come on here with similar stories as your "friend" - - dissatisfied with the school, wants to leave, what are the options?
However, generally speaking, the posters in the past left scant details as to why exactly they were dissatisfied. It's tough to adjust to China and the Chinese way of life - within the school and outside the world around it. What a person may see as an "injustice" may be a typical way-things-are situation (in other words, it's common in many schools throughout the country). If you (or previous posters) were to come on here and say, "my friend is dissatisfied with the school because . . . he has worked there for two months and has not received a lick of pay", for example, then that is something that others can give learned advice about and you could pass it on to your friend.
Sometimes we also come on here just to vent, not really looking for advice. Then others commiserate (or criticize) and post their similar stories. It's a good way to let off steam and to find out you are not alone. But if you want help with a problem, then details can be very important. Hope this helps. |
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