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Gawain
Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 66 Location: California
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:06 am Post subject: Have you taught class other than English? |
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As an American I am clueless why our students spend time and money learning English. Teachers have said students:
are forced by parents to take English,
are forced to take English to get college degree,
are encouraged by job to take English and employer pays tuition,
use English class to meet new friends.
Many said meeting friends is biggest reason.
If that is true, do any of you teach classes other than English?
How about Art, Music, Computers, History, Film, Culture, etc....
I can teach all that stuff. Big English chain schools don't seem interested in diversity, no more than McDonalds diversifying beyond hamburgers.
Is there money to be made teaching other stuff overseas? 
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Zero Hero
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Posts: 944
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:35 am Post subject: Re: Have you taught class other than English? |
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Gawain wrote: |
As an American I am clueless |
You could have left it there.
Seriously, though, if you can not see the value of acquiring at least working knowledge of a - perhaps the - global language, the ultimate current lingua franca, then there is little hope for you. Have you ever tried to use, for example, the Internet in Afghan or Ukrainian?
You must be very well qualified to be able to teach "all that stuff", man. |
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tedkarma

Joined: 17 May 2004 Posts: 1598 Location: The World is my Oyster
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:09 am Post subject: |
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I've taught business courses - management, economics and accounting - but once at a school that primarily hired me as an EFL teacher (Saudi Arabia), and at a school that hired me half and half EFL and business (Bangkok). But then I have an MBA to go with my M.Ed.
Business is a lot more fun to teach - but I'd be starving if I relied on it - or I'd be stuck in just a couple countries. EFL has been the backbone of my overseas teaching career. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:43 am Post subject: |
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As an American I am clueless why our students spend time and money learning English. (snip) Many said meeting friends is biggest reason.
If that is true, do any of you teach classes other than English? |
I'm puzzled about the connection between STUDENTS making friends while studying English and TEACHERS teaching other classes.
As for me, I have taught a few mini courses in general science, but totally in English (for high school students here in Japan).
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How about Art, Music, Computers, History, Film, Culture, etc....
I can teach all that stuff. Big English chain schools don't seem interested in diversity, |
But can you teach them in JAPANESE (or whatever language is L1 for the country you are in), which is what will be required? Don't blame a conversation school business for not holding classes in such things IN A FOREIGN LANGUAGE. My first conversation school was a culture center that held classes in all of those and many more, but other than the foreign language courses, they were all taught in Japanese.
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Is there money to be made teaching other stuff overseas? |
Sure, but you have to hit the right situation.
1. A Thai wife of an American friend of mine here teaches Thai cooking and dance classes in private.
2. Some university courses are offered for foreign professors, but the majority of them are in Japanese.
3. International schools offer pretty much every class in English (except for the Japanese language classes), but you have to be certified as a teacher in your home country in most cases. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Teachers have said students:
are forced by parents to take English,
are forced to take English to get college degree,
are encouraged by job to take English and employer pays tuition, |
In Japan all of the above is true. What's your point?
Many parents force kids to study English, some from elementary school age. In places like Japan, entering college requires taking a brutal exam, part of which involves intricate (overly so) knowledge of English grammar. Since getting a job in a good company often depends on getting into a prestigious college, it makes some measure of sense to become educated in English to get into those colleges. And, yes, after a graduate lands a job, he may have to learn even more English. Reason? Many companies go international with their business, so staff need it. And, some companies even require a certain TOEIC score for staff to get promotions, not just overseas assignments. Perfectly logical. |
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:56 am Post subject: |
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I am puzzled too as to what teaching English has to do with teaching "other stuff". I never taught "other stuff" but other subjects, and in doing so English was decidedly irrelevant. I taught other languages to students from Hong Kong.
Maybe the OP thinks English should be used as the medium of instruction in teaching other subjects - that, yes, happens occasionally. The students need very good English communications skills - which they normally don't exhibit at primary or secondary school levels in this part of the world; it is for students from elite circles whose parents can invest a lot of money in elitist mock education (buying the school leaving cert for their kid seems to be very high on their parents mind).
You can, of course, also try to teach any subject at an international school. But you need to show a mature outlook - one that doesn't refer to geography or culture as "stuff". |
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merlin

Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 582 Location: Somewhere between Camelot and NeverNeverLand
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 11:16 am Post subject: |
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Big English chain schools don't seem interested in diversity, no more than McDonalds diversifying beyond hamburgers. |
Other stuff is taught in "cram schools" they, unlike McTeach have a wide selection on the menu. Kinda like Dennys. |
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moonraven
Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 3094
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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I have taught the following:
Communication
Creative Writing
Technical Writing
Academic Writing
Expository Writing
Methods of Investigation
Speech
Native American History
EFL (all levels)
ESP
EAP
a mini-course in Statistics
a mini-course in Logic
Estrategias de Aprendizaje (developed and taught in Spanish)
I have taught at the junior high, high school and university levels, and have directed and taught at a language school.
In some cases, the way to get to teach other courses that are not EFL is to impress your boss with your teaching ability and then sell him/her on the students' need for other courses. That has worked for me. |
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Lynn

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 696 Location: in between
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:32 am Post subject: |
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I've taught Japanese in the United States. |
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deezy
Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 307 Location: China and Australia
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:43 am Post subject: |
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To Chinese students in Australia I've taught
Communication and documentation
Business Systems
Business Ethics (specifically computer ethics)
Management
Report Writing
Academic Writing
Research techniques
All students needed a good level of English to be in these courses, most didn't as the exam in China doesn't cover much listening and speaking. My EFL background was invaluable. |
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sojourner
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 738 Location: nice, friendly, easy-going (ALL) Peoples' Republic of China
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:27 am Post subject: |
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At colleges and universities in China, apart from the usual Oral English, one may also be asked to teach other subjects , in particular : Business English, Western Culture, British and American Literature, and International Business.
Peter |
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Deconstructor

Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Posts: 775 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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I teach French regularly. But then again, I'm in French Canada. |
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Ben Round de Bloc
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1946
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Gawain wrote: |
Have you taught class other than English? |
As a public school teacher in the USA, I taught mostly literature, language arts, and remedial reading for years plus one semester of full-time ESL before moving to Mexico. Here in Mexico I once applied at a bilingual school to teach other subjects in English, but I didn't get the job. Several years ago, I taught a few sections of a course called Comprensi�n de Lectura Inglesa (sort of a Strategies for Reading English type of course) for the university where I still teach EFL. Although the course was about how to read in English, it was taught in Spanish. |
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