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Kent F. Kruhoeffer



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 5:02 am    Post subject: --< Welcome back to The Top Ten @ Dave's >-- Reply with quote

Greetings General Forum!

It has been a while since I've wasted your time with this silly Top Ten competition. So, without further ado; the top ten most popular forums here @ Dave's - based on total number of posts - as of 01 May 2005:




#1 Laughing Korea with 113,104 안녕하세요 !

#2 Mr. Green China Off-Topic with 53,502

#3 Very Happy General Discussion with 46,595

#4 Cool Japan with 27,613

#5 Wink China Job-Related with 25,997

#6 Razz Taiwan with 8,435

#7 Smile Newbie Forum with 6,952

#8 Rolling Eyes Turkey with 6,919

#9 Shocked Mexico with 6,121

#10 Twisted Evil Saudi Arabia with 4,459

And just for fun: Crying or Very sad last place honours go to Israel with 43 total posts

followed by Macedonia and the Balkans with 45 and India with 60





So, what does this tell us about the World of TEFL we live & work in?

Let's keep it clean & on-topic. Mr. Green


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Gordon



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps an explanation why the China off-topic gets twice the votes as China job-related is all the free time they get. Either that or work is not as interesting as their after hours activities.

Where is Europe in all of this?
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 2:25 pm    Post subject: show me the $$$ Reply with quote

Hi Gordon:

The results certainly prove that TEFL is an Asian-centered industry at the moment.

And $$$ seems to be the driving factor - with Korea so far out in front (despite all the complaining) - and Saudi Arabia managing to stay in the top 10 despite the relative dangers of living in the ME these days.

Turkey & Mexico? Well OK, a warm climate seems to be a factor. Laughing Or is it the good food?

As for Europe: either they are hiring from 'within their borders' due to EU regulations or doing a good enough job educating their own English teachers that they don't need us. Probably a combination of both.

PS: The Korea Forum jumped to 113,219 posts since this morning. That's 115 posts in 10 hours! Shocked
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dmb



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Turkey & Mexico? Well OK, a warm climate seems to be a factor. Or is it the good food?

Kent, you have obviously never spent a winter in Istanbul. We are talking Baltic. I think one of the reasons that the Turkey forum is busy is because alot of the posters have been here for a long time and over the the years we have bumped into eachother and quite a few of us know each other personally so we have alot of harmless silly threads. You are right about the food though.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
nd $$$ seems to be the driving factor - with Korea so far out in front (despite all the complaining) - and Saudi Arabia managing to stay in the top 10 despite the relative dangers of living in the ME these days.


Whatever makes you think that the number of posts on these discussion forums have anything to do with the total number of EFL teachers in the respective countries, or indeed that the figure has anything to do with anything else at all?
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer



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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 3:08 am    Post subject: food glorious food Reply with quote

Hello dmb:

You have obviously never spent a winter in Russia. Laughing

Actually I did spend a winter in Istanbul! And maybe I was just lucky when I was there in '94-'95, but I found winter to be on the mild side (relatively speaking). Ahhh, Turkish food! I really miss the Iskender. And the hot tea served on the street. And the fresh Baklava & Ekmek. In fact, I often tell people that Turkey was the best 'food experience' of my 16 years in TEFL.

Hello Stephen:

That's a very good point. Is there a correlation between the total number of posts in any given forum - and anything else at all? I'm not sure; I'd love to see some TEFL stats on who's teaching where!
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merlin



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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
So, what does this tell us about the World of TEFL we live & work in?

Korea has a good internet infrastructure and teachers there seek escape.

China to a lesser degree but there's probably also a large mass of humannity TEFLing it in China.

Most people in Israel don't need to learn English - or they're too busy studying the Kabala.

One probalby has unreliable internet service in Macedonia and the balkans - there were whole years where teachers were unable to post to Dave's.

Indians find the forum a bit seedy and so rarely come here.

Of course there are other possibilities Very Happy
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Deconstructor



Joined: 30 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people post because they used to be TEFLers all over the world. I'm one of them. I've done my traveling-and-teaching bit and am back home, Canada, teaching. I still post on dave's including on Korea and China forums.
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer



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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 3:22 am    Post subject: thanks for that Reply with quote

Hello Deconstructor:

I'll share a little secret with you. After ten years abroad in TEFL, I went back home too (to the USA) and tried to 'blend in', re-establish credit and get a real job.

I lasted less than a year. Laughing As Arnold would say, "You'll be back!"

Keep your suitcase and your travelers' toothbrush handy!
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anthyp



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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, we definitely have too much time on our hands over here in China.

But I wonder what those numbers would have looked like had they been taken before the General Forum was changed to its present form? I mean, before they made it strictly teaching - related (ahem). Of course it was mostly trash, but there's no denying that it was pretty popular trash, and something of a guilty pleasure to plow through on rainy days.

I believe there are something like 20, 000 TEFLers in China, depending on whom you ask, and frankly I can't even remember where I got that number. I don't know, is that a lot? We also have a lot of regulars who aren't actually teaching EFL in China, don't ask me what they're doing there, I guess they go for the company.

The numbers speak for themselves: the China Off - topic forum rules, and stay the hell out of Israel.
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