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nrgstar2000
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 Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:16 pm Post subject: Anyone works or know someone who works in a public school? |
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| I have a couple of very important questions to ask... |
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whynotme
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| i know lodsa people |
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ghost
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 5:13 pm Post subject: The lowdown |
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Foreigners are not normally permitted to work in Turkish 'public schools' (not to be confused with British 'public schools' which are fee paying).
Turkish public schools (Devlet Okular) are under the umbrella of the Turkish State and foreigners cannot normally work there, because the Ministry of Education does not approve of this. The priority is to place Turkish Teachers at Turkish salary levels (somewhere around 400-600 new Turkish Lira/month) and of course, even if 'yabanci ogretmenler' were permitted to work in Turkish public schools, the salaries there would not suffice for a foreigner to make ends meet.
A pity, as the students in Turkish State schools are normally more disciplined than their counterparts in the Private systems. In the Turkish State schools, discipline is enforced, and as a result, teachers do not suffer the aberrant behaviour so prevalent in the Private system. |
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dmb
Joined: 12 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Absolute rubbish Ghost. Some of my best(foreign) friends work in State schools. |
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ghost
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 6:20 pm Post subject: really? |
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Absolute rubbish Ghost. Some of my best(foreign) friends work in State schools.
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If this is true, it would be interesting to know how these foreigners 'manage' to make ends meet on a normal Turkish Teacher's salary of 350-600 yeni turk lira per month?
When ghost approached a couple of state schools, he was told that foreigners could not be employed there. These places do not have the infrastructure to accommodate foreigners.
Also, the state schools do not offer accommodation, exacerbating the economic picture for foreign applicants. |
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whynotme
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 7:43 am Post subject: |
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whynotme finished a public school and was taught some of the lessons by foreign teachers... also whynotme wants to correct you about a mistake not just public schools, all the schools are under the umbrella of Turkish State and if a foreigner can work for ET he/she can work for a public school too...
dmb, i think your friend is paid more than you if he is working for a relly good public school... reputable public schools have "okul aile birliği" ( school parent org.)( sorry for the crap translation) and these people have the power to do a lot including paying the extra funds. |
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calsimsek
Joined: 15 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Ghost a few months working in Antalya means nothing.
dmb is right your talking rubbish.
Lots of foreigners work in state schools and the Minstry gives there o.k all the time. I was offered a job in Kadik�y Anadolu Lise about four years ago. At the time they were paying around $1,350 or there abouts a month, plus an small rent sub. O.K the money was not great, but at the time it was o.k, I never accepted the job, (I started at a privet school) yet somtimes I wish I had.
The kids are some of the brightest you will meet and there were few behaviour problems (according to a friend who worked there at the time. Now a well known old hand at B.E)
As we have all come to understand once again ghoast proves to all us how deep and well thought out his understanding of Turkey really is.
YET LET US ALL THANK HIM FOR THE HEADS UP ON THE EGGS ISSUE: |
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ghost
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 7:30 pm Post subject: reality check |
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| dmb is right your talking rubbish |
But at least one can write English with proper form and free of gross grammar errors, which does not appear to be the case with you...(go back to school...please).
One can only go by the experiences one has had, and the experiences of others in Turkey.
If it were really true that foreigners could obtain jobs easily in State schools, why is it that State schools never advertise for foreigners in the specialist press and internet sites? If the State schools were open to foreigners, then there would be some sort of recruitment process in hand, but this never happens.
Also, ghost and several other TEFL teachers applied to various State schools in Antalya, Izmir and Ankara, and the response was always the same - no jobs for foreigners here!
In the vast majority of State schools, very few, if any, of the staff and Admin. possess English skills - and most foreigners who come to Turkey, possess little or no Turkish - so right there you have a serious communication problem from the start.
Also, if the State school jobs were that easy to come by, then flocks of foreigners would apply to teach there, because, it is known that the behaviour and discipline in State schools are far superior to the kinds of sad situations we see in the Private schools in Turkey. Of course the money would have to be there - and in most cases the State schools are in financial trouble - so how on earth could they justify employing a foreigner at triple or quadruple the Turkish Teacher salary rate?
Been there - seen it - done it. |
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calsimsek
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 7:19 am Post subject: |
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Hay Ghost get a life.
I may be crap at spelling and at using this thing, but I know what I'm talking about.
How long did you really stay in Turkey. Where did you live and work.
Did you get to know any Turks at all.
You see. You don't know what your talking about.
I was offered a job in a state school. I know teachers who have worked in them, yet according to your great experanice of this country, I'm telling a tall one.
Either your right and I have been here so long that I have become as TWO FACED AS THE TURKS
Or your shooting your month off with your one this and that.
Talk about eggs thats what your good at. |
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dmb
Joined: 12 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 8:46 am Post subject: |
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I agree with the above post by the departed crazy horse avatar. Ghost is a valued member of this forum but sometimes comes across as being the only person who knows. We all have different experiences and this is one of the advantages of this forum. It is a place to share our experiences even though sometimes they might be poles apart.
I have limited experience of state schools. In fact my only experience was about 12 years ago. A p/t classroom assistant in an Anatolian high school in a small village. Classes were about 40 and they key to it was classroom management. I was a bit of a newbie at the time and didn't do too well.
About 6 years ago I was offered a job at a state university. I was offered 1000 dollars a month plus my own accomodation. I turned it down cos of the money. At the time It was explained to me that foreigners got more money out of a foundation. (however, I believe, foundations are now illegal) As Said in a previous post. I know people who work in this system. They like it. A better salary than a language school plus all the holidays.
Ghost mentioned that he has never seen these jobs advertised. I can't recall seeing them either. My friends got their jobs through contacts and blatant nepotism, maybe that's just the way it works |
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dmb
Joined: 12 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| To expand, often many jobs are not advertised. If you are not in Turkey or dont have contacts then google Turkey(istanbul) schools(universities) and from there go to individual websites. Often you will find ads on them or if not just send your cv on spec |
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dmb
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| Westernize (Americanize) |
Shouldn't that be westerniSe and AmericaniSe  |
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dmb
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 10:34 am Post subject: |
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On the subject of spelling. My student sent me this
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Typoglycemia
Don't delete this because it looks weird. Believe it or not you can read it .
I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to rscheearch taem at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Such a cdonition is arppoiately cllaed Typoglycemia  -
Amzanig huh? Yaeh and yuo awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt.
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ImanH
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| I'm curious; how many forum members does one have to be valued by in order to qualify as a valued member? |
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dmb
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| Even stalkers are valued |
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