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Mchristophermsw
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 Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 12:02 am Post subject: MA-TESOL vs. TESOL certificate. |
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Thanks to eveyone who answered my last post.
Unfotunately the thing stopping me from get my credential is that I do not have the time to do a full-time Practicum.
So what I would really like to know how much or even will a MA-TESOL make a big diffrence in Salary and demand vs a TESOL certificate???
Thank you gang,
Waiting for your wisdom and insight.
Michael |
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Doglover
Joined: 14 Dec 2004
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Location: Kansai
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 2:06 am Post subject: Re: MA-TESOL vs. TESOL certificate. |
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| Mchristophermsw wrote: |
Thanks to eveyone who answered my last post.
Unfotunately the thing stopping me from get my credential is that I do not have the time to do a full-time Practicum.
So what I would really like to know how much or even will a MA-TESOL make a big diffrence in Salary and demand vs a TESOL certificate???
Thank you gang,
Waiting for your wisdom and insight.
Michael |
Having a TESOL certificate in japan makes absolutely no difference to your income than if you have a BA degree
In Japan the largest private language school NOVA will pay you an extra $40 a month if you have a Masters degree. This will not even pay for a night out on the town. The degree is simply needed for a work visa and a Masters makes no difference to this equation. the visa is exactly the same whatever your qualifications.
I would assume a TESOL certificate is useless at an international school without a teaching licence and though I know they offer better salaries are better than conversation schools they are less than universities.
Japan is considered to have the highest teaching salaries along with the Middle East (Bahrain, Dubai and UAE). In Japan a full time position with a Masters degree starts at around 4.5 million and goes up to 8-9 million depending on agem experience and qualifications. Average salary is around 6 million yen or $US 57,000 for a full time teacher with Masters and publications and a few years experience.
This is about twice what teachers just off the boat at a conversation school make. You have to weigh up the fact a Masters dgeree may cost you 20 grand to acquire, but you can get jobs at the end of it that willl pay off your degree and put you in a higher earning bracket. College jobs also mean less classes and you are assured of not suffering teacher burnout as well.
Its not so much having a Masters itself that determines your paycheck there are PhDs in japan with entry level incomes as they can not use their degrees to get jobs here. Its more to do with what jobs you can get with the qualifications you hold. Like they say in the Costner movie "build it and they will come". decide where you want to live and work, what qualifications you need for those jobs, and work the PLAN. Jobs will open up to you with the Masters in TESOl and you have more bargaining power than someone on a TESL diploma, but this will depend on what jobs you are looking for. Some places a Masters you become overqualified and pay is not enough relative to what it cost you to get a Masters degree e.g. China, where monthly incomes are $US500 a month. It would take you 10 years to pay back an American TESOL degree if you end up working in China. In Japan or Taiwan it may take you about a year.
FWIW I have my own reservations about university teaching here, and I dont want to put you off, but the college teaching sector here is getting gutted, salaries are falling and schools are hiring less qualified teachers to teach classes that were taught previously by Masters people. it all has to do with saving money and cutting costs. Sounds OK for the little guy who wants a leg into teaching at a college but the long term prognosis is extremely dire. this is from someone now teaching full time in higher education in this country. On many levels, university teaching and TEFL in Japan is going down the toilet in this country if you want my honest opinion. I recommend getting the Masters for its own sake but there are a lot of dark clouds as well.
I can not speak for teaching in other countries though. |
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Mchristophermsw
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 3:16 am Post subject: Response |
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Thank you for that insight, it was very informative and helpful.
As I already have a Masters degree in Social Work which is a 60 unit program rather than 30 as many graduate programs are. But my interest in the TESOL Masters is to have the formal training and theoritical foundation in the subject matter in order to be a better teacher for my students.
As far as cost, 20,000 dollars? Ouch!!!!
I found that my MA would cost me approximately about 3,000 USD out of pocket and University grants will cover the rest.
But at the same time, I would be able to use as a " HOPE CREDIT"
(USA income tax deducatable).
My situation is probably kinda of wiered because I have a graduate degreee in a different field already. But honestly, I have over 5 year experience as a Tutor/Writing Specialist. In the end, I found that I like teaching better than I do Social Work. So here I am, thinking of getting my second Masters but I am still not sure if I really need it??.
Thanks agian,
For the great Insight. |
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Doglover
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| Mchristophermsw wrote: |
TAs far as cost, 20,000 dollars? Ouch!!!!
I found that my MA would cost me approximately about 3,000 USD out of pocket and University grants will cover the rest.
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$17,000 is what I paid (1990's dollars) as a graduate student at Temple University in Japan. To do an M.Ed is 2 million yen over 3 years. I can not get financial aid here and Im not an American so for some one in the US it may be cheaper to go to school locally or do a US degree by distance. International students always pay more than locals when doing degrees at foreign universities. Foreign students are a cash cow for many universities. My current degree by distance costs about $5000 a year to do.
A good university in the US can cost big bucks e.g. the Monterey Institute of International Studies. |
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tedkarma
Joined: 17 May 2004
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Location: The World is my Oyster
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 5:44 am Post subject: Re: MA-TESOL vs. TESOL certificate. |
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| Mchristophermsw wrote: |
Thanks to eveyone who answered my last post.
Unfotunately the thing stopping me from get my credential is that I do not have the time to do a full-time Practicum.
So what I would really like to know how much or even will a MA-TESOL make a big diffrence in Salary and demand vs a TESOL certificate???
Thank you gang,
Waiting for your wisdom and insight.
Michael |
Japan is considered to have the highest teaching salaries along with the Middle East (Bahrain, Dubai and UAE). In Japan a full time position with a Masters degree starts at around 4.5 million and goes up to 8-9 million depending on agem experience and qualifications. Average salary is around 6 million yen or $US 57,000 for a full time teacher with Masters and publications and a few years experience.
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With the exception of Japan, the MATESOL will land you college/university level jobs in the Far and Middle East. While Japan seems to pay comparably - it doesn't offer comparable benefits - so the wages aren't really comparable.
Middle East: no taxes, free family-size housing, annual air tickets, dependent tuition for international schools - which makes your money go much further.
And personally, I think I can bank more money in Korea than I could in Japan - all while getting 4-5 months paid vacation (depends on the university). Korea pays less - but again - lower taxes, free housing and significant time off compensate. The time off will allow you to develop other income possibilities: publishing, teaching, etc.
A TEFL Cert is fine - but won't qualify you for any of the above. Frankly, the MATESOL is worth the time and effort.
Just as an aside: Bahrain tends to pay quite poorly for the Middle East - and Dubai is part of the UAE. In the Gulf area - the UAE tends to pay best followed by Saudi, then somewhat of a tie for Oman and Qatar. Kuwait then Bahrain tend to be the bottom of the barrel for wages as well as conditions. I spent five years in Saudi and have many former co-workers currently working in the UAE - mostly in Abu Dhabi and Dubai. The UAE is considered quite livable compared to other more strict/rigid Arab states. |
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Mchristophermsw
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 6:17 am Post subject: Thanks |
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Thansk Ted,
Hey my friend, did you get my PM today?
And yes, I gottsa get over to Thialand before all is siad and done  |
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