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mikokozak



Joined: 07 Mar 2005
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Location: Toronto

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:47 pm    Post subject: Japan or Taiwan? Reply with quote

Hello,

I am trying to figure out where to go to teach in Asia starting this fall. I have pretty much narrowed things down to Japan and Taiwan. Both of these places seem appealing to me for various reasons. Although the number one reason for doing this is the experience of living and teaching abroad, I am concerned with the financial aspect.

Can anybody concretely tell me where my prospects at making money are better; Japan or Taiwan?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Nick Kozak
www.nickkozak.com
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Girl Scout



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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Location: Inbetween worlds

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't come to Asia with the attitude of what will they give. There is a lot of crap that comes with each job in Asia. Nobody is going to pay you to just show up in a class room. You have to have something to offer the school you work for.

That said, in Taiwan the average job pays 55-60,000/month. You do the conversion. You won't make a lot of money in the first three months. There are just a lot of minor expenses. After that most people should be able to save and send home appx. $1500/month or more. Your biggest expense would be housing. In order to make life easier in Taiwan a job that supplies housing or has a housing subsidy is a benefit.

I have never been to Japan. You will have to wait for other people to answer.
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am trying to figure out where to go to teach in Asia starting this fall.

What type of teaching? university, high school, international school, business English, conversation school, JET Programme? Salaries will vary according to each type of position.

Moreover, you haven't said anything about your credentials. What are they?

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Although the number one reason for doing this is the experience of living and teaching abroad, I am concerned with the financial aspect.

Can anybody concretely tell me where my prospects at making money are better; Japan or Taiwan?

As with anywhere, big cities will drain your finances more than rural areas. I'm going to assume you are looking for (and are eligible for) conversation school work or JET programme work. Conversation schools (eikaiwas) pay around 250,000-280,000 yen/month, and the JET Programme pays 300,000 yen/month.

Figure 125,000 in basic necessities to pay out each month, and go from there. If you have debts back home to pay off, they'll come out of the remainder. Going out and drinking conservatively a couple times a week will cost you at LEAST 30,000-50,000 yen/month. EVERYTHING else in your life will come out of what's left. If you want some specific costs of things beyond the basic necessities, ask.
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kyoko



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:54 am    Post subject: JAPAN!!! Reply with quote

My cousin is currently teaching in Japan and she is making MAD CA$h

Keep in mind that living there will be expensive if you want to go out alot. She also had her BA.
I wouldn't go out there without any sort of title on your name.
They may hire you but the pay will be much worse.
Also, her classes are huge. HUGE, like 300 and such

my advice would be get outta china, but i am bias perhaps.. being here...

3!
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kyoko,
It might help the OP if you could more clearly define "mad cash" and the circumstances that your cousin is in. Teaching 300 people at once is unheard of anywhere. I suspect your cousin teaches in a high school or similar institution where the total grade numbers that many, but where individual classes are about a tenth of that size.

Either that, or your figure 300 is a typo.
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tedkarma



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I taught a reading class in Taiwan once with 100 students. But also had a Chinese "co-teacher" - and Glenski is right - three hundred - and some one is either exaggerating or misunderstanding what's going on.
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PAULH



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Western Japan

PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:00 pm    Post subject: Re: JAPAN!!! Reply with quote

kyoko wrote:
My cousin is currently teaching in Japan and she is making MAD CA$h

Keep in mind that living there will be expensive if you want to go out alot. She also had her BA.
I wouldn't go out there without any sort of title on your name.
They may hire you but the pay will be much worse.
Also, her classes are huge. HUGE, like 300 and such

my advice would be get outta china, but i am bias perhaps.. being here...

3!


IF she has a BA its unlikely she is in a university where classes may be between 25 and 50. High school classes have up to 40 students in them.

Mad Cash is probably what she is making compared to what she can earn at home when converted into $US but cost of living in Tokyo is like New York or London. JET teachers make fairly good salaries in relation to their lack of formal teaching qualifications and experience though. Good coin for relative newbies to Japan.
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Spinoza



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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250-270k is what a young office girl with just high school qualifications living with parents earns.

Actually it's closer to 190,000 to 200,000.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Spinoza"]
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C 250-270k is what a young office girl with just high school qualifications living with parents earns. When people say Japan is expensive, they mean it..


And those that do live at home pay no rent, often no board or food, have their clothes washed for them, meals cooked and any money they earn is spent on clothes and cosmetics. Salary is virtually 100% disposable income.

Pity the poor language teacher who has to pay off student loans, pay key money, airfare as well as a quarter of his salary to his employer for rent.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm on the JET programme and send home a lot of money (I mean a large percentage of what I earn) every month (between a third and almost half, depending on how much stuff I need to buy that month). And I don't do private lessons on the side to supplement my income either (against the contract, although many JETs do do this, one or two have been caught and canned over it).

However, I don't do the drinking thing every night (in fact I very rarely do it at all, other than buying a bottle and heading off to a friend's place).

If someone needs 500K a month to save anything, then they need to learn how to budget their spending.
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Spinoza



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

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tedkarma



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was a few years back - but I saved about US$800-1200 per month in Taiwan, and that was with working at least a couple private classes per week. I have to admit though - that I rented a quite decent apartment in a good part of Taipei - but then again - I split the costs of the apartment with my wife.

Japan though - is quite an interesting place too - but I still like the energy and dynamism of a developing country.
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Hoser



Joined: 19 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry Spinoza but if you think that you need to make at least 500k yen a month to be able to save anything then you must have serious bugdeting problems or else you just miscalculated on your conversion.

I'll be making close to 300k when I get off probation and at that rate I should be able to save close to $1500-$1600 CDN a month. That's a HELL of a lot more than I was able to save living in Toronto, if I was able to save anything at all. In fact I think very few people in Canada are able to sock away $1600 a month in the bank unless they are super rich.
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Gordon



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spinoza wrote:

Firstly, I've never worked in either, so take my opinion as less authoritative than people who have worked there, obviously.

Nonetheless, my observation is that common sense appears to suggest strongly that it is jolly, jolly difficult to save money in Japan unless you are paid 500k Yen per month or more.


First of, you are way off the mark. I know of few people who make 500K a month in Japan. I don't make this, have bought outright and run 2 cars, support 3 dependents, am doing a masters degree, live in a large house, spend at least 2-3 months overseas on holidays and STILL SAVE quite easily.
Can't see who you've observed, but people making 250 K/year still save quite easily in Japan.
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