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Lister100



Joined: 26 Aug 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:05 am    Post subject: Laptops???Computer Illiterate Unite Reply with quote

Hello everyone,

Sorry to flog a dead horse here but I really don't know squat when it comes to computers and a lot of the former posts didn't clear things up for me.

Here's the situation:
1. I am financially constrained.
2. Cannot speak or write Japanese but wish to use the internet in Japan.
3. Still in Canada and willing to bring a laptop overseas.
4. Have traditionally used PC's and have no experience with Apple computers at all.
5. Not very qualified at repairing or troubleshooting my computer.
6. Overall power is not essential so long as the computer can perform effectively.

What will cause me the least headaches and be the most conducive to my simple computer needs? Advice Please
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Celeste



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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Location: Fukuoka City, Japan

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My husband and I went to a used computer shop and bought a laptop for about $500 CAD before we came to Japan two and a half years ago. Once we had saved some money, we bought a second one that had a better video card in it so that my husband could play violent video games. I would definitely look into getting a used laptop if you only need it for the internet. Make sure that it is "net ready" before you leave. (modem or ethernet card already installed)

When youe get here, either get in touch with asahi net or yahoo BB or any of the other service providers out there and you're away (getting accounts set up can take a long time but there are people who can help you do this in English.)
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Lister100



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Celeste,
How's the weather in Fukuoka?

I like the idea of saving some cash through a second hand shop, but I'm always a bit concerned that old computers bring problems with them.

Also, I'm a bit of a video game nerd myself. I don't need the newest games but I would like my computer to be able run a few games along with DVD's just to get through that initial loneliness and culture shock. Not that I'm planning to spend a lot of time in my room, but the transition should hit me fast. I'm going to Japan alone and will be the only English teacher at my school. Games and movies have always been a good stress reliever for me.

My price limit reaches to about $1500 Canadian. I just don't want to spend it on a computer that can't connect to the internet or has a meltdown within a month or something.

Thanks again for your help.

Will any Ethernet card or modem work in Japan?
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nawlinsgurl



Joined: 01 May 2004
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Location: Kanagawa and feeling Ok....

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your card will work fine in Japan. I have one from the States and it is fine. I cannot stress how important it is to have an 2-prong cord adaptor with you when you come. Being from the States, I have a 3-prong cord and when my battery died I had to plug the comp up to recharge. I live in a small town so when I finally got a chance to go to Yamada the electronics store, they didn't even have an adaptor for my cord. I was without my comp and net for three weeks (crazy for me) til I could go to a travel store and pay 2200 yen for one. (About $21 US) so make sure you pick one up in case you move to some rice paddy in Japan. Very Happy
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Celeste



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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Location: Fukuoka City, Japan

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

$1500 will get you quite a decent computer at this time of year. GO to future shop or any big electronics place. They will probably have quite a few acceptable new models on sale right now. (THe weather in Fukuoka is cold, indoors and out!!!)
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shmooj



Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Location: Seoul, ROK

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nawlinsgurl wrote:
Your card will work fine in Japan. I have one from the States and it is fine. I cannot stress how important it is to have an 2-prong cord adaptor with you when you come. Being from the States, I have a 3-prong cord and when my battery died I had to plug the comp up to recharge. I live in a small town so when I finally got a chance to go to Yamada the electronics store, they didn't even have an adaptor for my cord. I was without my comp and net for three weeks (crazy for me) til I could go to a travel store and pay 2200 yen for one. (About $21 US) so make sure you pick one up in case you move to some rice paddy in Japan. Very Happy

If you have a three prong, no problem. Simply saw off or pull out the middle prong and you are fine. Very Happy Cool It's an earth connection and isn't essential anyway.
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Lister100



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again to everyone that has responded,

I gather from your comments that the whole laptop problem isn't really as big a concern as I thought it might be.

I was worried that the internet worked on a different code or something(like the phones) and laptops bought in Canada wouldn't necessarily work unless they had the bilingual function Macs' offer. The whole debate about Japanese OS's and English OS's really had me confused because I really don't see how it benefits an English speaker to have their computer operate in Japanese(I still don't?)

Is it a software compatibility problem with upgrades, downloads, and new drivers for new harware? You're stuck with your computer as it is once you get there? If that's what it is I can live with that (excepting problems with the internet and downloads).

If make an assignment on my computer can I bring it on a disk to the school computer a print it off there? Do most schools carry word processors such as MS Word and WordPerefect?
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Gordon



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding DVDs, you may or may not be aware there are different regions, so Japanese DVDs won't work on a NA player and vice versa and same goes with computers unless you get a region-free DVD player or program on your computer.

Most schools have compatible WORD so you won't have any porblems.
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shmooj



Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Location: Seoul, ROK

PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lister100 wrote:


Is it a software compatibility problem with upgrades, downloads, and new drivers for new harware? You're stuck with your computer as it is once you get there? If that's what it is I can live with that (excepting problems with the internet and downloads).

If make an assignment on my computer can I bring it on a disk to the school computer a print it off there? Do most schools carry word processors such as MS Word and WordPerefect?

Re your first query about software compatibility, yes, it can be a problem. I gave a Japanese printer away to a friend when I left. He had English Windows and I had Japanese. The printer wouldn't work for him and he couldn't find any drivers that would work for him on an English system. But these problems are usually fairly rare. If you are going to purchase any hardware here e.g. webcam, printer, external drive etc, check first that you can definitely get the drivers in English. You may actually have no problem with the Japanese driver but if you do...

For Internet connection you just need to make sure you have Windows XP. If you do and you plug in a cable from an ADSL (broadband) modem with a live connection, it will automatically detect everything. You should be online almost instantly. Often, ADSL deals come with installation disks. I've never used one and IMHO they are full of junk you do not need. Make sure whatever computer you bring with you has a LAN port.

As for your second query about software, the issue is that while Japanese computers can read English fine, Windows versions before XP in ENglish could not read Japanese (generally speaking). If you have Windows XP in English, you can install the Japanese language pack enabling you to display and write in Japanese very easily. It should be on your Windows XP disk or you can download it from the Microsoft website.

So, if you are writing in English at home you will easily be able to print it out at work so long as both computers use the same software which is usually MS Word. Make sure you buy a computer with a floppy disk drive if youw ant to do this regularly or you will have to either burn a lot of CDs needlessly or invest in a portable minidrive which may or may not be compatible with computers you might use at work Floppies are simply more universal (if I can say that Wink )

Hope that helps.
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t.d.



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:04 am    Post subject: pc questions Reply with quote

You can just break off the 3rd prong on the cord. It is only a ground plug, so no worries there. It pops off easy. I did it on my laptop. Laptops are great, but really, if you want, just grab a desktop. They are WAY cheaper and easier to get parts for if something goes awry. Plus, you can get the pc here, toss on an OS from the USA then snag a US keyboard (shops in major cities have them) then you are all set. The hardest part would be getting a US keyboard, and to be honest, it isnt too terribly difficult I think. Maybe just get the OS and Office Suite CD`s before you get here, and even ship yourself a keyboard (just to cover your butt).
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Nismo



Joined: 27 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:09 am    Post subject: Re: pc questions Reply with quote

t.d. wrote:
You can just break off the 3rd prong on the cord. It is only a ground plug, so no worries there. It pops off easy. I did it on my laptop. Laptops are great, but really, if you want, just grab a desktop. They are WAY cheaper and easier to get parts for if something goes awry. Plus, you can get the pc here, toss on an OS from the USA then snag a US keyboard (shops in major cities have them) then you are all set. The hardest part would be getting a US keyboard, and to be honest, it isnt too terribly difficult I think. Maybe just get the OS and Office Suite CD`s before you get here, and even ship yourself a keyboard (just to cover your butt).


Not all hardware from Japan is supported on English winXP. I bought my laptop in Japan with J-winXP. It has a mobile geforce 4 card. I formatted my computer and installed English winXP. Now, when I try to update my drivers to the latest set, windows won't recognize my g-card. I have to force-install the drivers, and then if the computer ever switches display modes it refuses to run in anything but 256 color mode. It is annoying, but I can still use it for basic computing, I suppose.
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Sody



Joined: 03 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.D and Nismo, thanks very much for the info. I was sorta fussing over the idea of buying a laptop before coming to Japan. Then I thought of bringing my OS disks to Japan and buying a laptop there, but the idea of buying a desktop is so much more appealing now that I know that prices there are cheap.

Sody
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Sody



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found a place in Japan that sells "English" PCs. Not sure if this is any good or not though, perhaps someone in Japan can comment on the reputation of the company:

http://www.primepc.jp/goods_pc/goods_pc.php

I'm still a little unsure of whether to bring a laptop or not. I have a friend in Japan who told me that getting a clone here in Japan would not be that hard but selling it when you leave might be a problem. A laptop, however, you can take with you. Plus there is always the possibility that your desktop may be stolen from your apartment when you are working, although there is so little crime in Japan I doubt that this would happen. Still, if you move apartments a laptop would be convenient as well.

Sody
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Lister100



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I decided to pick up the Toshiba Satellite A70-KL1 laptop yesterday. I figured that the only thing it could hurt is my bank account (yikes). Worst case scenario it means that I can pack an electronic dictionary for home use, some video games and a few of my favorite movies. Also, I will be able to use my digital camera more conveniently. It guarantees that I will bring a little bit of home with me, which may be that extra incentive I need to go the distance.
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shmooj



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sody wrote:

I'm still a little unsure of whether to bring a laptop or not. I have a friend in Japan who told me that getting a clone here in Japan would not be that hard but selling it when you leave might be a problem. A laptop, however, you can take with you. Plus there is always the possibility that your desktop may be stolen from your apartment when you are working, although there is so little crime in Japan I doubt that this would happen. Still, if you move apartments a laptop would be convenient as well.
Sody

Firstly, you can easily sell your Japanese 'clone' when you leave. Just take it to your nearest Hard Off store and they will buy it off you. Remember though, it is Japan and you won't get half what you paid for it. Better just to take it with you.

Second, whatever computer you buy it will not be Japanese. The operating system will be. If you buy yourself a legit copy of Windows XP Home edition, and bring it with you. You can buy whatever you want and simply install your version (English) of Windows over the top if you want to. One great advantage to this approach is that you can hold out til you get here. Bring your English Windows with you. Buy a good second hand system with NO operating system at all on it (there are plenty of places to pick these up in the cities) which will be at a real knock down price, and then install your version of Windows on it. Be aware though that if you buy the cheapest copy of Windows XP that you find to bring with you, you can only install it on one computer legally. There are ways round this but don't ask me to go there ...

THirdly, it is way easier to steal a laptop than a desktop, not that the chances of either getting stolen in Japan are very high anyway. You can always move a desktop when you move house too. Just takes up more space than a laptop.
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