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Frankie Knuckles
Joined: 30 Sep 2003 Posts: 36
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 11:59 pm Post subject: What exactly is the teacher blacklist? |
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Hi Guys,
Apparently my former employer has put me on some kind of blacklist because I resigned from my employment before my contract ended. What a terrible crime I committed. I resigned because they actually broke the contract by not providing me with the minimum weekly hours which was clearly stated on my contract. However, this employer thinks I broke this contract and they basically think they didn't do anything wrong at all. Anyway I don't know much about this blacklist so I am just asking to see whether anyone knows much about it. My former employer told me it would prevent me from getting a work permit in Taiwan. Is that true?? Will I not be able to get another ARC because one particular company has registered a complaint to the government?? I don't quite understand, I thought in a "partially" democratic society like Taiwan I would at least have the right to some sort of defence. Doesn't seem that way. Does anyone have any advice for someone in my predicament?? Thanks very much,
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 5:19 am Post subject: Re: What exactly is the teacher blacklist? |
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Teacher blacklists are pretty much a thing of the past. Lists do exist, but they are now merely informal information collection and sharing, much the same as information about schools passed on by this forum.
In the past, when the MOE was involved with teachers work permits, the MOE maintained lists of foreign teachers, including a blacklist. Teachers added to the blacklist would include teachers who skipped out on contracts. Theoretically, it was a good idea, but like most things, it was open to abuse. When considering applications for work permits the MOE would consult this list. If your name was on it then your application for a work permit was refused.
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Apparently my former employer has put me on some kind of blacklist
My former employer told me it would prevent me from getting a work permit in Taiwan. Is that true?? Will I not be able to get another ARC because one particular company has registered a complaint to the government?? |
I doubt it.
While it would be possible for a school to petition the CLA to prevent a teacher from being given a future work permit, the matter would most likely need to be criminal in nature. Contract breach is a civil matter and is therefore not considered so serious by many authorities. It is between you and the school, not society.
I would encourage you to make a new application for a work permit with a new employer as you will most likely not encounter any problems. I don't think the CLA subscribes to blacklisting. |
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Aristotle

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1388 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 7:20 am Post subject: |
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Avoid registering your personal information with job placements agencies or web sites on Taiwan as no real protection against information theft exist on Taiwan and many of them will blacklist you if your employer request it. There is little to no accountabilty on the net or on Taiwan for that matter.
Good luck and welcome to the ROC.
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Aristotle wrote: |
Avoid registering your personal information with job placements agencies or web sites on Taiwan as no real protection against information theft exist on Taiwan and many of them will blacklist you if your employer request it. There is little to no accountabilty on the net or on Taiwan for that matter. |
Although I fail to see what this has to do with teacher blacklisting, I suspect that this is going to become a common catchphrase used by Aristotle in an attempt to try and discredit sites that offer information on teaching in Taiwan.
The thing that I find most interesting about this latest opinion from Aristotle is that he is effectively issuing a warning about using his own site.
The SSET website that Aristotle hosts has very little in the way of information on it. In the past Aristotle has made it clear that this information is only available to registered members, so to actually get any information from Aristotle you need to actually register on his website thereby contravening the warning that he gives above.
Aristotle wrote: |
Nearly all of the information your have requested is available to any and all Full Members of SSETT. |
See the full thread here.
Aristotle wrote: |
To this date SSETT has never accepted or ask for any money from any of it's members for use by the organization. SSETT has never charged any member or non member for any information, advice or service that has been provided.
The excluded information may still be available to those who have the real need to know. |
See the full thread here.
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Do your own homework or apply for membership. It is really that simple.
I have already stated that membership cost nothing. If you are so interested in the goings on and services offered fill out the application. |
See the full thread here.
So my question Aristotle is this. If your warning above has any creedance (I don't believe that it does) then why should people register on your website to join your secret society? And isn't anyone who does actually register on your site to join your secret society actually making themselves vulnerable to the situation you are suggesting above.
I don't how everyone else feels about this, but I would have no trouble giving my name and email address out for the purposes of registering for a legitimate site that clearly has valuable information (such as what we have all done here at Daves). I don't see how anyone can really misuse information that includes your name and email address, except for maybe spamming you to death. It is surely ludicrous to suggest that sites could blacklist users with this very minimal information.
I would however be reluctant to disclose even my email address to someone who openly promotes illegal activities, runs a site that claims that it is illegal, and hosts this site on a free geocities server. |
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Frankie Knuckles
Joined: 30 Sep 2003 Posts: 36
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Clark Griswald,
I just thought I'd let you know that I have in fact been officially blacklisted. I spoke to an employee at the Council of Labor Affairs today and they confirmed that I have been blacklisted and will not be able to work in Taiwan again. So there you go these rumours about blacklists being a thing of the past are not true. So watch out everyone, if you don't finish your contract you may not be able to work in Taiwan ever again. Apparently my former employer told the CLA that I went missing for 3 days. What a complete load of rubbish. I never went missing at all. I took vacation after my payday and then resigned in writing on the first day of my vacation. It really annoys me that my former employer has told such a blatant lie like that in order to have me banned from working in Taiwan. I can't understand why they have such a vendetta against me. They must have thought I was such an amazing teacher and they must really miss me. I actually thought I wasn't such a great teacher and that perhaps they might have been happy that I resigned. Doesn't look that way. Otherwise why such a big fuss?? The CLA told me I could write a letter expaining all of the details of my case but really in a democratic society I thought people were assumed innocent until proven guilty. It seems that in Taiwan people believe that you are guilty until proven innocent.
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for letting us know.
This is certainly a first for me in that I have never heard of anyone being blacklisted by the CLA, and in fact this is the first 'official' blacklisting that I have heard of since the CLA took over from the MOE two years ago.
I am sure that this news comes as a shock to most in the know, and I know that you got the same feedback here that your enquiry received from those in the know over at forumosa. It's a surprise to everyone I think, and it will certainly be interesting to see if you are able to overturn the decision. |
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Aristotle

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1388 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:14 am Post subject: |
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I just thought I'd let you know that I have in fact been officially blacklisted. |
The question is what are you going to do about it?
The return of blacklisting as a favor by the CLA to Taiwanese employers is alarming but not a surprise.
The government on Taiwan has maintained one consistency in it's policy towards respect for human rights.
"One step forward two steps back" has been the catch phrase for Taiwan's policy of reform since it's poorly conceived inception.
If you are by chance in that 1% of the people that actually want to do something about it, feel free to email or PM me for assistance.
[email protected]
Good luck!
A. |
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