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ecl
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 Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 3:52 am Post subject: Work in Vancouver |
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I am a US citizen but it's possible that my partner, who is establishing residence in Canada right now, can sponsor me. I have an RSA Certificate TEFLA (London, UK), an MTESL and currently more than 12 years experience in the Middle East (where I've been living for the past 9 years), Malaysia and the USA. If I obtain the legal right to work in Canada what would my prospects be for full or part-time work? I noticed an adevertisement for part-time work paying about C$5000 per section from September to December. How many sections can one hope to get and how many hours would this be per week? If I managed to get a full-time position for one year, what could I expect to earn? I read on another post that one can get a lot of private tuition. What is the going rate per hour?
Thank you.
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marblez
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 4:05 am Post subject: |
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The ESL faculty at my university is below. I'm not too familiar with the terms and qualifications that you have (I have not taught abroad). As you can see, there are a few Americans on this list. If you are legal, you would be welcomed. The only problem is that you do not seem to have a professional teaching certificate. This is an absolute requirement, as nearly all the competition will have it.
http://www.ucfv.ca
Neil Campbell, BA, MA (Seattle Pacific), Department Head
Naomi Born, BEd (Tabor/Kansas), Prof. Teaching Cert. (B.C.)
Maria Bos-Chan, BA (UBC), BEd (Toronto), MEd (OISE/Toronto), Prof. Teaching Cert. (Ont)
Elizabeth Carpenter, BA (Toronto)
Lynne Hunniford, BEd (UBC), Prof. Teaching Cert. (B.C.), Child Care Counsellor Diploma
Joan Kilbride, BEd (Concordia), MEd (McGill), Prof. Teaching Cert. (Que), Cert. in Androgogy (Concordia)
Nancy Sexton, BGS (SFU) Prof. Teaching Cert. (B.C.)
Jon Shanks, BS (Washington), ESL Certificate (VCC) |
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marblez
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 4:10 am Post subject: Re: Work in Vancouver |
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| ecl wrote: |
How many sections can one hope to get and how many hours would this be per week?
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Probably 3-5 sections at 3-4 hours per section (per week). In total, about 20 hours of classroom teaching. I am just judging from what my university schedules. As for preparation, I do not know.
As for your other inquiries, I have no clue. Without your professional teaching certificate, you are not looking at a high-paying, full-time university job. Get that, and the doors will swing wide open. |
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ecl
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 5:23 am Post subject: |
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thank you for your reply. As for a teaching certificate, I have and RSA Prepatory Certificate in Teaching English Foreign Language to Adults. I did it some time ago in England. It's internationally recognized. My MTESL is a Mater's in ESL, which I did in the USA ten years ago.
Thank you.
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ecl
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 6:07 am Post subject: |
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thank you for your reply. As for a teaching certificate, I have and RSA Prepatory Certificate in Teaching English Foreign Language to Adults. I did it some years ago in England. It's internationally recognized. My MTESL is a Master's in ESL, which I did in the USA ten years ago.
Thank you.
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sarahnz
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 11:08 pm Post subject: professional teaching certificate?? |
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| Can anyone tell me what this �professional teaching certificate�is? I am moving to Vancouver soon and hoped to find ESL teaching work (I have a work visa for one year). I have a Trinity Certificate in TESOL and a BA in Psyc and two years experience, including around three months teaching in China. I was planning to do what I did in New Zealand to find a job - go door to door. I would really like to work at a university or polytechnic with a salary. I might be setting my sights a bit high from what I read here about the ESL industry in Canada. It sounds similar to New Zealand - a lot of not very good schools and a few good ones. I would appreciate any advice! |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| Sarah, A BA will not get you any jobs in a university or community college. A masters is required for anything permanent in a college and a PhD for the unis. Sorryto burst your bubble. Competition is fierce, which is why there are so many of us Canucks overseas. |
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sarahnz
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 9:02 pm Post subject: not entirely unexpected |
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| Oh well, better to know what the situation is - pretty much the same as in NZ! How come BAs are so under rated everywhere!? I suppose there�s always bar work or data entry....Where do Canadians with only BAs go to get decent jobs?[/i] |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 11:16 pm Post subject: Re: not entirely unexpected |
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| sarahnz wrote: |
| Oh well, better to know what the situation is - pretty much the same as in NZ! How come BAs are so under rated everywhere!? I suppose there�s always bar work or data entry....Where do Canadians with only BAs go to get decent jobs?[/i] |
Leave Canada.
You know the average Starbucks employee has a degree or 2. Canada is a very educated country which makes BAs so common. There is a lot of language schools in Vancouver, but I wouldn't call it good work, but certainly enough for a single person to live off. Those with families cannot. |
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bubblebubble
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| I'm from Canada with a BCom and MSSc...now I'm working in HK. yes... BA is so common in canada... and i guess it also depends on which party of the country you are in. |
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Chris_Crossley
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:31 am Post subject: What are my chances with 2 masters and 7 years' exp? |
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| Gordon wrote: |
| A BA will not get you any jobs in a university or community college. A masters is required for anything permanent in a college and a PhD for the unis. [...] Competition is fierce, which is why there are so many of us Canucks overseas. |
I already have an MBA from a Scottish university and I am going to undertake an MEd by distance learning in applied linguistics offered by an English university (the Open University, to be exact). By the time I finish the MEd, I should have accumulated just over seven years of TEFL experience in China.
Three and a half of these years would have been as a lecturer in English for Academic Purposes (EAP) at a school which specifically prepares Chinese pre-undergraduates and bachelor's degree holders for the halls of academia in the UK and Australia to undertake bachelor's and master's degrees, since it is affiliated to a partnership of 19 UK and seven Australian universities.
Does anybody in the know believe that I could secure an EAP post at a university in Canada with two master's degrees, one of which would be relevant to TEFL, and 3 1/2 years (at least) of EAP experience out of a total of seven years' TEFL experience, bearing in mind Gordon's comment on people needing doctorates to gain university lectureships?
I'm British, but I do not hold Canadian citizenship. I intend to immigrate to Canada some day with my Chinese wife and our daughter. By the time we do, our daughter will be old enough to attend primary/elementary school. Will not being a Canadian citizen or landed immigrant put me at a disadvantage in terms of being considered for jobs at community colleges and/or universities in Canada? |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Chris, I am in Canada at the moment and looking at the job situation for future reference. From what I see, PhDs are the norm for any uni post here at least in a lecture type position. Most unis have language schools or depts attached to them where students go to improve their English ability. Not sure about the pay for that, but that work does not excite me. It does look bleak. |
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canucktechie
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: What are my chances with 2 masters and 7 years' exp? |
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| Chris_Crossley wrote: |
Will not being a Canadian citizen or landed immigrant put me at a disadvantage in terms of being considered for jobs at community colleges and/or universities in Canada? |
If you are not a citizen or immigrant you will not be considered for jobs, period. Immigrate first and then employers will talk to you. The few Canadian job postings that appear on ESLCafe, and job postings in Canadian newspapers, are quite clear about this. |
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