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[mekala]

Anyone know anything about this establishment? They have posted job adverts in various websites.

http://www.eslmonkeys.com/teacher/jobdetail.php?id=317

Sounds a bit dodgy, but not sure. They also offer an MBA degree for their staff. I contacted them for more information and they asked for some details from me, then offered me a position straight away. No phone interview, no contract (yet), no hesitation. Just wanted to see if anyone has heard about them before?

[englishgibson]

Mekala, I do not know for sure that this has any relevance to your establishment, but the name rings a bell. When I worked for farce EF English First and attended their farce Director of Studies semminar in Shanghai, the EF Head Office introduced their new "staff member" to be in charge of (sorry can't remember exactly what) academic support for the farce EF centers in China. I believe that that man's name was "Logan" and he allegedly came from "a management position" of DELTER IN BEIJING. In any case that is how he was introduced to us. The impression was that he was to become a "BIG SHOT" at farce EF Head Office with their employee turnover skyrocketing. Well, he stayed with EF Head Office for not even three months and then either he left or he was sacked. That happened about a year and a half ago, if I am not mistaken.
I don't know whether I am helping you here and I am sorry if this is too vague and without any further details. However, I thought that I'd put my contrubution in here, because I found that "Logan" and whatever happened there at that time rather peculiar.
Cheers and beer

[brsmith15]

Have nothing to do with that organization. Most of what you're reading are lies. The so-called MBA for the staff is an online course that you pay for.

Hours are long, pay is below average and the management is just plain foul.

PM me and I'll answer any specific ????

[burnsie]

There could be worse places to end up in China. Their hours are longer than average of 20 for 4,000 RMB a month. If you do business then there is extra pay.

At the end of the day you asked if they are legit, well, they are. You will not have any problems getting paid and generally they do follow what they say.

Management, well, here again each location will be different. I don't want to sound totally negative but they do do this business to make money and not interested about the quality of the business.

Probably the biggest thing is the unmotivated students that you teach, especially in the north. Most of the studetns are well below average in their english level and didn't do well in their university entrance exams. Usually they are rich kids which their parents force them to attend so they are uninterested, some never turn up and don't care too often about their marks as long as they pass.

Also PM me if you want to know more.

[Paul Barufaldi]

[englishgibson]

[burnsie]

[Paul Barufaldi]

[Paul Barufaldi]

[englishgibson]

Paul, you are really analytical in responding to others, I must say. Forgive me for as you have said; �loaded language of mine�, but you did and you do sound like that Delter is just so original and other schools either follow or do not have what Delter has. So, I do not think that I have taken anything out of the context here at all.
In any case, I am not so very familiar with Delter and I cannot contradict you as per your Delter�s standards, however I can tell you that many large mills in China do the 6-12 students in the classrooms, level-test their students and motivate them as much as they can. If you thought that you were the first ones, than I am sorry.
Now, if there is stability in Delter (as you have said), then that is something those other schools have serious problems with in China, and I will say Delter is special. Being in China for almost four years, I could not find any stability at especially the EF English First.
Cheers and beers

[Paul Barufaldi]

[burnsie]

The thing about most foreigners when they arrive in China is that they expect the same treatment from businesses and dealings than they do in their home country. This is usually not the case.

You expect contracts to be fulfilled & not changed - this is not the case. You expect advance warning on events to be provided - this is sometimes not the case. You expect to be paid on time - this is sometimes not the case.

This occurs both for foreigners and the chinese themselves so we are not the only brunt of the problem. You wonder why the Chinese take so long to trust others!

Well at least at Delter you do deal with a foreigner who understands your concerns, you do get your pay on time but they do change their minds alot and have some policies which are not written down.

The english teaching pay is very low at 4,000 RMB a month which has not moved for years. The cost of living in China is moving rapidly and Beijing moved about 20% in the last year. There are more and more foreigners in China and teaching is one option which is easy to achieve in the short term I only wish schools like Delter and others realise this offer some decent pay options.

[william wallace]

Nothing to say.

[brsmith15]

Delter/Telfort has hired the following in the past 3 years:

1. A teenager who sleeps with his mother, a la Oedipus.
2. An overweight woman who spends her time trying to undermine the fat idiot in charge of the Shanghai operation who, in turn, blackmails his female students to go to bed with him.
3. A Russian who couldn't speak English.
4. A clown who was f&^king his ugly Chinese girlfriend while his wife died in a US hospital.
5. A Muslim who had it in for westerners.
6. A TV "star" who bedded his entire marketing class.

Nothing but class!

[Midlothian Mapleheart]

Edited to remove offensive content.

Middy