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Hospital nightmare for English teacher in Shalu (Taichung)

 
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ghost



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:45 pm    Post subject: Hospital nightmare for English teacher in Shalu (Taichung) Reply with quote

Ghost recently became very ill, and was admitted to a Hospital in Shalu (Taichung County). Severe weight loss, loss of appetite, headaches.

The experience was a painful one for several reasons.

1. Ghost does not possess the coveted Taiwan Medical card, and so had to foot the bill itself which came to over NT 18.000 (Taiwan dollars) for a 3.5 day stay in the Hospital.

2. Ghost was tested for so many things and illnesses that it lost track. But from the start the communication between ghost and the doctors was not satisfactory, with some of the doctors not even speaking English to an acceptable level. Ghost had to resort to a mixture of Mandarin (Chinese) most of the time, as none of the nurses spoke any English, and many of the doctors' English was extremely limited. It was surreal for ghost to have to communicate in Mandarin....but certainly a good exercise...

One doctor in particular, told ghost it had various illnesses which when challenged by ghost did not prove to be true.

3. As ghost did not have the funds, it was placed in the 'cheapo ward' sharing a room with a bunch of sick geriatrics who shouted and screamed throughout the day and night, making it impossible for ghost to obtain the required rest during these trying times.

4. Constant misinformation from doctors and nurses - ghost was monitored every hour, throughout the day and night, but oftentimes the nurses would write fictitious data into their notebooks, because they were simply too lazy - blood pressure readings for example.....

After three and half days, ghost was 'released' from the hospital, but not before the hefty fee was paid (NT 18.000).

The whole experience was a nightmare, and teachers and students in Taiwan would be strongly advised to purchase some kind of health insurance if they do not possess the ARC and accompanying Taiwan Health Card.

Ghost in Taichung, Taiwan.
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jonks



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recommend you get an ARC.

How did you discover the nurses were writing fictitious data in their notebooks?

Sounds a bit odd - especially due to your lack of Mandarin ability...
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Serious_Fun



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Hospital nightmare for English teacher in Shalu (Taichun Reply with quote

ghost wrote:


The whole experience was a nightmare, and teachers and students in Taiwan would be strongly advised to purchase some kind of health insurance if they do not possess the ARC and accompanying Taiwan Health Card.


Thanks for posting that warning; and I hope that you are feeling better!

qing wen: Do hospitals accept credit cards for payments?
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Medical cover is a MUST. Don't be without it !
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markholmes



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ghost does not possess the coveted Taiwan Medical card, and so had to foot the bill itself which came to over NT 18.000 (Taiwan dollars) for a 3.5 day stay in the Hospital.

Mark thinks Ghost should have had medical coverage to tide him over until his Taiwan medical card arrived (assuming you were intending to work legally). Mark, and I suspect most other posters think Ghost only has himself to blame.
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Ghost was tested for so many things and illnesses that it lost track. But from the start the communication between ghost and the doctors was not satisfactory, with some of the doctors not even speaking English to an acceptable level. Ghost had to resort to a mixture of Mandarin (Chinese) most of the time, as none of the nurses spoke any English, and many of the doctors' English was extremely limited.

Mark partially agrees with Ghost on this point, having been hospitalised himself, however Mark understands that this is a national health service and there probably is no requirement to speak a second language (and frankly why should there be?). Mark, coming from a country where 99% of the population speaks only the native language (and most have no desire to learn another), finds it hard to be critical of Taiwan on this point (although, of course it's still frustating).

For Ghosts medical condition Mark can sympathise, for his financial woes Mark feels Ghost only has himself to blame.

OK drop the third person thingy; Seriously though, if you had got sick in the US without insurance you would have been paying off your medical bills for the next 20 years.
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DirtGuy



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You spent 3.5 days in the hospital, no insurance, paid less than $600 US and you are complaining.

There are many, many responses to this posting but I will control what I am really thinking.

Had this happened in the US, you almost certainly would have had to declare bankruptcy in order for you to ever get back on your feet financially. Be glad, really glad, your unfortunate incident happened in Taiwan.

DirtGuy
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twinkletoes



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the medical insurance is one of the best things about Taiwan. Get a legal job, and get a health card, people!

Ghost, you have my sympathy. Everybody makes mistakes. I didn't purchase medical insurance to tide me over before my health card became valid. I got lucky.

Anyway, 18,000 isn't so much. Hope everything is okay.
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markholmes



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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, the medical insurance is one of the best things about Taiwan. Get a legal job, and get a health card, people!

This is true, but remember it does not cover everything. I was in for kidney stones. The first time was a day surgery, which cost nothing. The second time was overnight and that cost me 7000NT$. Still shockingly cheap if you're from the US
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Northwood



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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ghost:

I appreciate that you feel the care should have been better. I know of a few people that got admitted to hospital but decided to transfer to another hospital when they felt the care and general surroundings were not up to their expectations. I�m not sure how the process works but I know it happens.

Fortunately, the medical sector here in Taiwan does not appear to demand excessive amounts of money from people that are concerned about their health.

It sounds like you are confusing the reason and subsequent expectations for your admission into hospital. Observation (which you describe) is very different to rehabilitation.

Food for thought: An MRI scan in the UK (private care) costs in the region of NT$70,000, whereas in Taiwan it is just a few thousand NT$. I know of one person in that stayed in Taiwan simply to complete their diagnosis - and it was all done in a very timely and cost effective manner. They decided to return to their home country (full diagnosis in hand) and received treatment immediately (16 months sooner than had they gone through the same channels at home). They had nothing but praise and thanks for the head start they received.

Your advice about getting a medical card is excellent. You can�t buy health, but someone has to pay for the care. It�s an expensive game so insurance is vital.

Hope you are feeling better and that you will be able to ride the cost.
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trukesehammer



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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Hospital nightmare for English teacher in Shalu (Taichun Reply with quote

ghost wrote:
Ghost recently became very ill... Severe weight loss, loss of appetite, headaches ...tested for so many things and illnesses... not satisfactory, with some of the doctors not even speaking English to an acceptable level ...'released'... (NT 18.000)."Ghost in Taichung, Taiwan.


Goodness, gracious, Ghost!

I do hope everything is all right for you, and I will be praying for your total recovery. Did the doctors ever figure out what was wrong? You didn't eat some weird wiggly stuff in the night market, did you?

People back home sometimes knock me for going the vegetarian way but after having been fed everything from swine eyeballs to toad fat, I figure I'm better off sticking with overcooked veggies and salad bars. --Once in a while I'll eat fresh at Subway, but even that's suspect here.


But getting back to your story, not to be a parrot or anything, but our colleagues are right. THANK GOD you're not in the States!
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sbettinson



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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ouch Ghost.

That's some bad luck you ran into there. I agree with the other posters in reply to your comments about having insurance here but I really feel for you on the translation issue.

Even though there is no onus on the doctors to speak English it's just not a nice situation to be sick and not be able to know what is going on. I know from first hand experience about the issues in communication here. My gf and I went to the hospital last year and and she had an eye infection that turned nasty and she couldn't see out of the eye. During the diagnosis the question was posed of "Will the vision be damaged permanently?" The question wasn't understood and the doctor nodded. This caused great stress and the point had to be clarified.

Just out of interest. Did you not have any Taiwanese friends who could have helped out? Colleagues etc?
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Serious_Fun



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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 7:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Hospital nightmare for English teacher in Shalu (Taichun Reply with quote

trukesehammer wrote:


People back home sometimes knock me for going the vegetarian way but after having been fed everything from swine eyeballs to toad fat, I figure I'm better off sticking with overcooked veggies and salad bars. --Once in a while I'll eat fresh at Subway, but even that's suspect here.


the cows are going mad...



I plan on buying insurance to cover me until paperwork is finalized... but I am curious to know if a credit card would generally be accepted at a hospital or clinic in Taiwan? Or is this a business issue for each respective facility?

xie xie
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Horizontal Hero



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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it won't make you feel any better, but my mainland Chinese wife paid that much EVERY DAY she was in hospital in Hong Kong. That was just for a basic hospital bed. Thus she is no longer living with me in Hong Kong - we can't get coverage for her and we can't afford it if she gets sick again.
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