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freddie's friend daniel
Joined: 17 Apr 2005 Posts: 84 Location: Osaka-fu
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 12:50 am Post subject: Japan Rail Pass- impossible? |
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We have a plane load of guests coming to visit us here in Japan this year and they will all be armed with their Japan Rail Passes. Now, I know that they are only available for purchase outside Japan and that they are only for tourists to Japan rather than long-term residents but...
..I have two passports. One has my residency visa and whatnot in it, the other hasn't been stamped at all. Is there any way to wangle the JRP for myself using this second passport? How carefully do they scruinize your passport at the station when you pick up your ticket? I guess they would be expecting to find an entry stamp (which my second passport doesn't have because I don't use it to enter Japan) so that would make it impossible, right? |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 1:32 am Post subject: |
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I don't work for JR, but if I saw a passport with no entry stamp in it from a person who wants to redeem his JR Rail Pass, I would be highly suspicious. Can't tell you how closely they look at these sorts of things, but they are not stupid and have probably been given a list of certain types of scams to look out for.
How would you even buy the voucher if you aren't outside of Japan? |
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Celeste
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 814 Location: Fukuoka City, Japan
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 2:16 am Post subject: |
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A friend of mine tried to do this same thing and was unable to - granted, this was 2 years ago. I have no recent information. |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 4:03 am Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
How would you even buy the voucher if you aren't outside of Japan? |
Glenski, he would get someone else to purchase it for him.
I doubt it would work and you would take a big risk too (the money and possible confiscation of the passport). |
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freddie's friend daniel
Joined: 17 Apr 2005 Posts: 84 Location: Osaka-fu
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 4:10 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, guys, that's what I thought.
Glenski, I was going to buy it on my next trip home. You've got three months to swap your exchange order for a ticket.
Oh well. Maybe my family will subsidize my shinkansen tickets when I accompany them round the country!
Cheers for the comments. |
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ironopolis
Joined: 01 Apr 2004 Posts: 379
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 12:04 am Post subject: |
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daniel,
It's NOT impossible at all, it's quite easy in fact to get and be able to use the JR pass when you're resident in Japan and not supposed to, but not in the way you were thinking of. I've seen it done many times.
I've PMed you with an explanation. |
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AndyH
Joined: 30 Sep 2004 Posts: 417
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 12:56 am Post subject: |
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A co-worker of mine was able to get one when his family visited from the US last X-Mas vacation. I think he just got lucky. |
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bshabu

Joined: 03 Apr 2003 Posts: 200 Location: Kumagaya
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 3:02 am Post subject: |
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I have heard stories of both success and failure. Sometimes they don't look at the entry stamp. |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 1316 Location: Out of Japan
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 7:16 am Post subject: |
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I have heard a story of a group of 8 people travelling around on 2 JR passes. Involved a lot of hiding in train toilets, deep sleeping and the like but apparently it was part of the fun. |
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stillnosheep

Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 2068 Location: eslcafe
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 10:29 am Post subject: |
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thx markle!
i was beginning to get fed up of all the 'it is illegal; you will be arrested, confiscated, shaggedupthebum and deported' doom and gloom.
Whatever happened to people's sense of adventure?
Eight people on 2 rail passes! Way to go! My kind of peeps!
And to anyone who wants to drone on with 'cheating the Japanese railtraveller' bollox - Get a life We is all humans and I hereby give all Japanese, Chinese, Taiwanese, Korean, Martian, whoevers my total blessing to travel on any railway in the world as best they can.
They should all be free anyway!
markle wrote: |
I have heard a story of a group of 8 people travelling around on 2 JR passes. Involved a lot of hiding in train toilets, deep sleeping and the like but apparently it was part of the fun. |
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agraham
Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 6
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 8:49 am Post subject: |
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freddie's friend daniel wrote: |
Yeah, guys, that's what I thought.
Glenski, I was going to buy it on my next trip home. You've got three months to swap your exchange order for a ticket.
Oh well. Maybe my family will subsidize my shinkansen tickets when I accompany them round the country!
Cheers for the comments. |
If you're going home anyway, why not enter with the second passport as a tourist? |
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homersimpson
Joined: 14 Feb 2003 Posts: 569 Location: Kagoshima
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:10 am Post subject: |
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If you're going home anyway, why not enter with the second passport as a tourist? |
Yeah, but then he'd have to leave within the timeframe of his tourist visa stay on the 2nd passport and then re-enter the country on his first passport which would have been stamped with his exit from the country. If he tried to exit Japan (in the future) on the initial passport (which denotes his resident status) which showed he left the country but somehow magically re-entered without any stamp he'd be in for a lot of questions and possible deportation. Immigration would certainly want to know how he re-entered the country without having his (initial) passport stamped. |
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agraham
Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 6
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Oh right... |
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ava77
Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Posts: 100
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:57 pm Post subject: Japan Railpass |
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I had no problem my mother purchased two passes in canada in her name then when she arrived she validated them at two different stations. We didnt have any trouble. It is worth a try if they wont do it you can still get a refund on the railpass if it isnt activated. It is way cheaper!!! |
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Nagoyaguy
Joined: 15 May 2003 Posts: 425 Location: Aichi, Japan
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 7:25 am Post subject: |
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I had no problem my mother purchased two passes in canada in her name then when she arrived she validated them at two different stations. We didnt have any trouble. |
That's too bad. It would have been better if your fraud was discovered. You live in Japan and are paid a salary here. You dont like the rules, then leave.
The worst part is involving your mother in this kind of scam. Pathetic. |
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