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demianamar
Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 3
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:53 pm Post subject: Taiwan- Read ALL posts- still need help |
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Hello,
It's June 15, 2005 and I've been offered an hourly contract through Footprints recruiting to be in Taipei by the end of this month! Min 18 hrs of teaching several age groups for $540/550 NT. This would be at KOJEN school in Taipei. I know y'all say not to go with a recruiter or work for chain schools, but it just makes me more comfortable for now. Does this all sound ok this contract? I may be able to get something through Jump Start schools......shall I hold out for another contract and dive right into this and leave home by June 27th???
Any positive help would be great. |
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Girl Scout

Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 525 Location: Inbetween worlds
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: |
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There is nothing wrong with working for a chain school. It is simply that some of us like their practices and some of us don't. If you want a "soft" landing in Taiwan and you don't have a lot of teaching experience chain schools are just fine.
The money is at the bottom end of exceptable. Your pay will be just under 10,000/wk. or appx. 39,600/mo. If you have debts to pay back home you may not be making enough money. You might want to calculate your estimated monthly expenses in TW. This will give you a better idea if this job fits your needs. (current exchange rate is 31.2NT - 1US)
The good news about your job offer is that it is only 18 hr/wk. That gives you a lot of time to do privates. I currently make 800NT/hour with mine. |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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The only person that recommends that teachers avoid chain schools is Aristotle. He has never supplied any reasons for this opinion though, so it is pretty obvious that it is based upon nothing other than his personal dislike of successful businesses.
It is true that chains don't pay the most, but overall they offer the best job security. Add to this the training and the fact that you can most likely pick up extra hours as you go along and you start to see that they don't offer such a bad deal at all.
Most importantly, when you are at a chain you know that you needn't worry about the legalities of the work that you are doing. This peace of mind is worth a lot, particularly if you ask someone who took a higher paying job at a small independant school on the promise that an ARC would be forthcoming, only to find that the ARC never arrived, or was issued in the name of a company other than the actual employer. Both of which are illegal.
I would like to see any reason that working at a chain is not in the best interests of a newbie to Taiwan. |
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Ki
Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posts: 475
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure that the "job" will still be on offer in July. So don't bother rushing here if it isn't in your best interest to do so. Looks like you haven't been given a set job nor with a set number of hours. So they will give you whichever position comes first no matter when you arrive. I'll bet that the 'end of the month' deadline is just an incentive to get you over and nothing more.
DON'T SIGN THE CONTRACT UNTIL YOU GET HERE
Is Footprints the official recruiter for Kojen or can you go to Kojen directly? Can you come here and have a look around before accepting (signing) the Kojen offer? Don't bother 'holding out' for something better back home though. |
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demianamar
Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 3
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks everyone!! your advice has been most helpful! I really appreciate it. I'm going to try to deal with schools directly if this contract with the recruiter doesn't cut it. And thanks for advising me not to rush and that there's always work out there....
If anyone is leaving from Canada soon...specifically Ont, let me know:) |
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Incredible Ape
Joined: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 118 Location: Witness Protection Programme
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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I recently spoke to Kojen in Taipei. Luisia Sia is their in-house recruiter, and has been working for them for many years. She mentioned that she will soon be splitting off from Kojen to work as an independent recruiter, working soley for Kojen. If you would like her details, I'm happy to supply them.
BTW, after talking to her, I decided not to sign with Kojen. No specific reason, I just felt that she was a little evasive under basic questioning. I didn't want to teach kids, she said that would be fine, but she wouldn't put it in the contract, so I found work elsewhere. |
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Sheep-Goats
Joined: 16 Apr 2004 Posts: 527
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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demianamar wrote: |
Thanks everyone!! your advice has been most helpful! I really appreciate it. I'm going to try to deal with schools directly if this contract with the recruiter doesn't cut it. And thanks for advising me not to rush and that there's always work out there....
If anyone is leaving from Canada soon...specifically Ont, let me know:) |
Have you taught before? I haven't had an offer under 600 an hour -- but then I have a few years of experience and all kinds of pretty papers to show interviewers.
Just get over here and find your own job -- it's a lot easier than you think. http://www.tealit.com has a lot of job posts. Other sites (including this one) have a few as well. |
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zealflyer
Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 13 Location: Winnipeg, MB
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:05 am Post subject: |
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Being offered under $600NT isn't that strange for a newbie these days. I had schools offer me $550...and even $500...when I got here 7 months ago. I held out for $600 but obviously some teachers don't. |
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Aristotle

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1388 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:14 am Post subject: |
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Being offered under $600NT isn't that strange for a newbie these days. |
Pay rates and benefits are deteriorating island wide and not just for foreign teachers. Many suspect that the problem may have much more serious implications than just the usual Taiwan government racial discrimination.
Taiwan has been in a recession for almost 5 years and the situation is not improving.
The current regime on Taiwan is unable or unwilling to take the necessary action to stop the overall decline of Taiwan's deteriorating economic status.
Taiwan has now and always had a serious management problem on all levels.
Good luck.
A. |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Aristotle wrote: |
Pay rates and benefits are deteriorating island wide and not just for foreign teachers. |
There is no proof that this is the case, nor does anecdotal evidence suggest that it is true. This is the opinion of one person based upon nothing, except for possibly his own personal agenda.
The fact is that wages have increased over the years, although not by much. Job statistics prove this to be correct.
What is the evidence for the differing opinion on the subject? I have asked Aristotle to supply this repeatedly but he has never done so. |
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gregoryfromcali

Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 1207 Location: People's Republic of Shanghai
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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The good news about your job offer is that it is only 18 hr/wk. |
I too am considering signing the same contract. But the thing that surprises me is even if I sign for 18 hours they still want me to work 6 days a week.
(Which is why I started that thread.)
This seems rather strange. To have a have a teacher come in six days a week and teach 3 hours and then go home when obviously one could work 18 hours in a matter of fours days.
Of course I realize it all depends on the director.
Has anyone worked 18 hours at a school and not had to go to work 6 days a week at a chain school?
I realize this probably a way to get people to take more hours but after teaching for over two years in Europe I think it would be hard for me to deal with this type of situation.
I'm starting to think that I should just arrive and search out the schools even though it may take awhile. |
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