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Vince



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:47 am    Post subject: Foreigners passports photocopied at hotels and inns Reply with quote

According to the Web site of the Japanese consulate in New York City, as of April 1, 2005 foreign nationals must list their nationality and passport number when registering to stay in a Japanese hotel or inn. The law also requires the hotel to make a photocopy of the guest's passport. According to the Web site, this measure is to combat infectious disease and terrorism.

Have you heard about this? Does it apply to all foreigners, or only short-term visitors? Have any of you had to deal with this?
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This would surprise me. I don`t travel with my passport in Japan, don`t need to.
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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The short answer: No.

The longer answer: No, but many hotels are creating laws out of thin air and demanding gaikokujin touroku (alien registration cards) which is illegal.

The longer answer yet: Debito Arudo (naturalized Japanese civil rights activist of American ethnicity) published the following article in the Japan Times. I have copied it below.

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THE ZEIT GIST

Creating laws out of thin air
Revisions to hotel laws stretched by police to target foreigners

By DEBITO ARUDOU

With terrorists striking fear into governments worldwide, Japan too is currently considering its own version of America's Patriot Act, to be passed in a year or two.

It makes for interesting reading, particularly in terms of Japan's internationalization and legal treatment of foreign residents.

Approved by the prime minister's Cabinet ("Kantei") last December, the "Action Plan for Pre-empting of Terrorism" ("Tero no Mizen Boshi ni Kansuru Kodo Kikaku," available at www.kantei.go.jp/jp/singi/sosikihanzai/kettei/041210kettei.pdf ) essentially depicts terrorism as a phenomenon imported by foreigners. Never mind, of course, that Japanese have a history of domestic terrorism themselves (Aum Shinrikyo and the Red Army easily spring to mind).

News photo

This notice, pasted on a wall outside a Tokyo hote, reads (from top) "No Entrance (for) foreigners, drunks, and gang members/thugs." However, while the hotel's policy is clear, it's also illegal.
PHOTO: www.debito.org


Already debris from this approaching asteroid of a law is falling to earth.

This week's column will focus on one hunk as a cautionary example: where a recent legal amendment, specifically designed to target foreigners, stretches existing laws to the breaking point.

On Jan. 24, the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare issued "Shorei (ministerial ordinance) 4018," to "clarify" a passage within the Hotel Management Law ("Ryokan Gyoho").

The section that requires all hotel lodgers to note contact details in guest books, has now appended (author's translation): "If the lodger is a foreigner without an address in Japan, (hotels must record) passport number and nationality."

As such, this isn't any problem, as it conforms to standards in developed countries regarding tourists. After all, management must be able to contact all lodgers and those lodgers must be kept accountable for their stays, and the best way to do that with tourists is through passport numbers.

However, as written, this revision is not being implemented.

Hotels are now asking all foreigners, including non-tourists (i.e. foreign residents with addresses in Japan), for their passports.

Registered foreign residents of Japan, as readers know, do not have to carry passports. That's what the "gaijin card" is for.

So in lieu, hotel clerks are demanding to see, even photocopy, gaijin cards. Even though, under the Foreign Registry Law, only officials endowed with police powers may do so.

Foreigners who refuse to comply, as happened to a friend at the Sapporo Toyoko Inn last November, are being refused rooms.

This is, however, illegal. The same Hotel Management Law Article 5 states that hotels may only refuse lodging if: the person in question is sick with a certifiably contagious disease; there is a threat to "public morals" (i.e. engaging in acts with minors, filming pornographic movies, etc.); or there are no empty rooms.

Thus a registered foreign resident merely unwilling to reveal a passport number cannot be refused.

Japanese guests, I might add, are not required to display any verifiable ID whatsoever. Why not?

Enforceability problems, for one. There is no universal ID card in Japan, save perhaps a drivers license. But of course not everyone drives. Or gets a passport. And with the failure of 2002's Juki Net system, this situation will not change anytime soon.

This means hotels will not apply extra checkpoints if you have an honest face -- i.e. one that looks Japanese.

So what happens to the residents, moreover citizens, with foreign features (such as this writer) who show up to claim their room?

Rigmarole. I have stayed in hotels as a Japan resident for over 15 years. Yet this winter for the first time (and several times at that), I have been asked for my passport number, even after signing in with a Japanese name and a domestic address in kanji -- and mentioning that I am a Japanese citizen. This is happening to foreign faces nationwide.

When managers were asked why all this third degree, they have said the local police have ordered them to record and report all "foreign guests" in their midst. This is even though reporting, or even photocopying, "foreign guests" is not part of the original above mentioned MHLW ordinance.

Moreover, the ordinance states that it will not take effect until April 1, 2005. Clearly the cops are not wasting any time.

Nor is the press. Kyodo News erroneously reported nationwide on Jan. 21 that the MHLW will require all hotels to retain photocopies of "foreign travelers" ("gaikokujin ryokosha") passports, neglecting to mention the exception for those with domestic residences.

Noncomplying hotels allegedly face possible loss of their operating licenses.

Yet this push for extra tracking for foreigners is on shaky legal footing. This MHLW shorei ministerial ordinance is not a law. It is merely a bureaucratic clarification of a law -- not something passed by the legislative branch. According to lawyer friends, it has no legal status or enforceability, meaning neither you nor the hotel can at this time incur any specific penalty if not enforced. "Laws" are thus being created out of thin air.

SO WHAT DO YOU DO IF...

Even though you are a registered foreign resident of Japan (as opposed to a tourist), a hotel threatens to refuse you service for not divulging your passport number?

* Say you have a domestic Japan address. Write it on the guest card. Just being foreign is not grounds for suspicion or scrutiny, regardless of what the police say.

* Tell them you are not legally required to provide either a passport or gaijin card to a hotel. Ask to show the same ID (if any) being demanded of Japanese guests.

* Tell them that under Japanese laws governing hotels, you cannot be refused entry unless customers are sick or rooms are full.

Just remember that laws are different for hotels than for any other private business in Japan (as opposed to, say, onsen). All customers, regardless of nationality, are clearly protected against refusal, for a change.

If you're worried, print up the hotel law in Japanese from the Web link at the bottom of the story and carry it with you.

Caveat time.

One does not expect readers to become activists overnight. It certainly would be an unpleasant start to any stay to stand at the Front Desk, waving laws at a clerk playing with newfound police powers.

But people should also know their rights and not let themselves be pushed around, because things are going to get a lot worse for foreigners in Japan if they do.

If this new treatment of hosteling foreigners is any guide, the antiterrorist asteroid currently in orbit will soon wreak havoc on Japan's civil liberties. This is why the Japan Federation of Bar Associations is gearing up for a critical stance in a couple of months.

More on that later, but for foreigners, there will no doubt once again be targeting and unsophisticated enforcement by the police: A lumping together and scrutinizing of anyone who looks foreign regardless of status, acculturation, or citizenship. Perhaps some more laws created out of thin air.

So, it may seem a small thing, but demanding improvements on everyday things does make a difference. At least let your hotel know that as long as you have a domestic residence, they must treat you like any other paying customer. It's still the law. Abide.

Published in: The Japan Times. March 8, 2005
Linky here: http://search.japantimes.co.jp/print/features/life2005/fl20050308zg.htm
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azarashi sushi



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew about it.... I checked into a place recently and was required to present my gaijin card. There was a notice posted on the wall at this place in English about the law. The guy was obviously very embarrassed to have to ask for my gaijin card and apologised for doing so... Anyway, it was really no big deal.
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Vince



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspected the law wouldn't apply to residents. I also suspected residents would be asked anyway.

According to Debito's Web site, things are getting tense for foreigners. I know he's a serious activist and is quite sensitive to these things, so I'm wondering what your experience is. It seems clear that some things (like overstaying) are being cracked down on, but do you see it as a return to Deshima Island?
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bearcat



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:04 am    Post subject: Re: Foreigners passports photocopied at hotels and inns Reply with quote

Vince wrote:
According to the Web site of the Japanese consulate in New York City, as of April 1, 2005 foreign nationals must list their nationality and passport number when registering to stay in a Japanese hotel or inn. The law also requires the hotel to make a photocopy of the guest's passport. According to the Web site, this measure is to combat infectious disease and terrorism.

Have you heard about this? Does it apply to all foreigners, or only short-term visitors? Have any of you had to deal with this?


The rule isn't supposed to go into effect until August as I was aware. I think perhaps Debito has talked about it on his site, but im too lazy today to go see.

EDIT: oops jim there posted it... sorry i missed seeing that Razz
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Iwantmyrightsnow



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The doesn't include residents and hotels have no right to demand the documents. I was checking into one recently and simply refused when they asked, stating what the law was. No problem. Don't imagine it will be quite so simple at all hotels though.
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Akula the shark



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not good at all if you ask me. It's very easy for the government to 'bash the gaijin'.
The locals need not show identification, so to ask foreigners only to do it stinks of racism.
I will be back at the end of the year, and will explode if asked to show my ID.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Akula: Before you get too riled up, showing ID is pretty common in hotels/inns worldwide. When I was in Canada, it was necessary (I'm Canadian, BTW). Usually, a D/L or major credit card are acceptable. You can also show a passport if you are comfortable to do so.

What makes the JAPANESE law funky is that they are a) requiring a passport from foreigners, which I can understand (to a degree) but other forms of ID should be acceptable, eg. an international driver's license.

What makes this law outright WRONG, is not the law itself, but a byproduct of the law..... Since you don't have a passport, I need your alien registration card. This is illegal, as the only officials permitted to ask for that card are police officers (but only with just cause) and immigration officials. JR dudes and misc. rent-a-cops or security guys don't count.

I would recommend, when asked for a passport (and of course, subsequently a gaikokujin toroku) explain that you "live in Japan" (Nihon de sundeimasu) (I think that's correct -- I never know the correct particle to use) and whip out a Japanese D/L (IF you have one). (If you don't, they are very, very, very useful in getting out of showing your alien registration card in many instances, for example at security control at Narita or at the video store or whatever). Then, if that's not acceptable to them, quote them the law that prohibits them from seeing your alien registration card (if you can -- more advanced Japanese required at this point)... And if that fails, I'd say go with your original plan -- go nuts. At this point you may as well, if you're so inclined.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just spent the weekend in a hotel and they asked to see my passport. I told them I don't have it, and I live in Japan. They were surprised and then left it at that. I never showed any ID, but wouldn't have cared if they asked to see any.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimDunlop2,

(Nihon de sundeimasu) (I think that's correct -- I never know the correct particle to use)

It's nihon ni sunde imasu. NI

For those of us who want to be pedantic.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
* Say you have a domestic Japan address. Write it on the guest card. Just being foreign is not grounds for suspicion or scrutiny, regardless of what the police say.

* Tell them you are not legally required to provide either a passport or gaijin card to a hotel. Ask to show the same ID (if any) being demanded of Japanese guests.

* Tell them that under Japanese laws governing hotels, you cannot be refused entry unless customers are sick or rooms are full.


I take my hat off to those who will go through that rigmarole. Whenever I am checking into a hotel, the only thing I care about is getting the formalities over and done with as soon as possible. If that means showing ID, so be it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just spent a week in Tokyo with my family and I did not have to show my passport. My husband (Japanese) checked us in and no questions were asked.
Sherri
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sherri wrote:
I just spent a week in Tokyo with my family and I did not have to show my passport. My husband (Japanese) checked us in and no questions were asked.
Sherri


Thats because your husband registered.... had you registered it would have been a different story.
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Akula the shark



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimDunlop2 wrote:
Akula: Before you get too riled up, showing ID is pretty common in hotels/inns worldwide. When I was in Canada, it was necessary (I'm Canadian, BTW). Usually, a D/L or major credit card are acceptable. You can also show a passport if you are comfortable to do so.

What makes the JAPANESE law funky is that they are a) requiring a passport from foreigners, which I can understand (to a degree) but other forms of ID should be acceptable, eg. an international driver's license.

What makes this law outright WRONG, is not the law itself, but a byproduct of the law..... Since you don't have a passport, I need your alien registration card. This is illegal, as the only officials permitted to ask for that card are police officers (but only with just cause) and immigration officials. JR dudes and misc. rent-a-cops or security guys don't count.

I would recommend, when asked for a passport (and of course, subsequently a gaikokujin toroku) explain that you "live in Japan" (Nihon de sundeimasu) (I think that's correct -- I never know the correct particle to use) and whip out a Japanese D/L (IF you have one). (If you don't, they are very, very, very useful in getting out of showing your alien registration card in many instances, for example at security control at Narita or at the video store or whatever). Then, if that's not acceptable to them, quote them the law that prohibits them from seeing your alien registration card (if you can -- more advanced Japanese required at this point)... And if that fails, I'd say go with your original plan -- go nuts. At this point you may as well, if you're so inclined.


You are correct that in many countries you do need to show ID, I was in Russia last year, and needed to do this everywhere, but as Russians also have to show their internal passport, I didn't see it as anything more than a minor inconvenience. The problem here is that Japanese don't have to show ID, and foreigners do. Not acceptable.
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