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Volodiya
Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 1025 Location: Somewhere, out there
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:34 am Post subject: Visa runs- fun, inexpensive |
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If you have to make one, why shouldn't a visa run to get a Z visa, or other visa, be as much fun as possible?
Recently, there was a thread which spoke of Air Asia and the very cheap flights they had Macau-Bangkok; Macau-Kuala Lumphur, and Xiamen-Bangkok. These fares were on the order of 400 RMB, and less. If someone had a relatively inexpensive way to get to either Macau or Xiamen, then real possibilities for some good times open up.
But, there are other options, as well. What if there are other cities in China that you can get to cheaply, from which some of the budget carriers fly to destinations of interest to you? Or, what if for very little extra, you could stretch a visa run into a nice holiday to Singapore, Manila, or other place of interest to you?
Here is an article which seems to comprehensively list all the budget carriers operating in Asia and SE Asia. You can let your imagination go.... (One that isn't mentioned, but should be, perhaps, is Dragon Air.)
http://www.smarttravelasia.com/smallairlines.htm
Thailand, as one possible destination, offers very inexpensive food and nice accomodations, beaches, tropical airs, etc. Spiderman Too got his visa, last time, in Bangkok, according to one of his posts in March, this year.
In Bangkok it's not hard to find clean rooms with hot water, air conditioning, double bed, and satellite TV for the equivalent of 80 RMB/night. There are very cheap internal flights (One, Two-Go; Nok Airlines, Asia Air, Orient Thai and others) and overnight trains to choose from, if you want to travel to one of the beaches, or islands. (Accomodations near the beaches can also be had for little, with some hunting: airfares as low as 160 RMB O/W exist; a nice train ride overnight in an airconditioned sleeper car costs on the order of 120 RMB.)
Any other ideas, for those who must go abroad to get Z visas?
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:48 am Post subject: |
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The flights between MACAU and BANGKOK are only cheap to owners of a CREDIT CARD; if you pay in cash (at the airport) you have to fork out a minimum of 4 times the cheapest rate (ptc 149 x 4), and still may have to add to this as they charge higher the fuller the aircraft gets.
I do not know but I should think a visa-run to HONG KONG would be the cheapest; though it is NOT "abroad", it is a separate JURISDICTION where the visa-issueing authority has a capacity similar to that of a consulate. |
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cujobytes
Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 1031 Location: Zhuhai, (Sunny South) China.
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:36 am Post subject: > |
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[/quote]The flights between MACAU and BANGKOK are only cheap to owners of a CREDIT CARD; if you pay in cash (at the airport) you have to fork out a minimum of 4 times the cheapest rate (ptc 149 x 4), and still may have to add to this as they charge higher the fuller the aircraft gets.
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I don't know where you get your information from Roger, but you are misinformed. Go to www.airasia.com, check the routes and prices (They have a very good little calculator thing there) Book a month ahead for the better prices. If you you don't have a credit card, call the customer service number on the website and book the ticket. Go to Macau to collect and pay for your ticket. Unfortunately this means two trips to Macau, one to collect your ticket and the other to catch your plane. Not a problem for me in Zhuhai, but I can imagine a bit of a hassle for anyone further away than Guangzhou. |
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Volodiya
Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 1025 Location: Somewhere, out there
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, Roger, a visa run to H.K. is a good option but I'm trying to see if we can develop some alternatives. One option could be a "holiday add-on" to a visa run to Hong Kong, so the FT can get more bang for the buck.
As an example- visa run to HK, followed by a cheap RT from HK to Bangkok, Singapore, Hanoi, Kuala Lumphur, Jakarta, Manila, etc.
About credit cards- they sure come in handy, and not just in this situation.
I came to China with a credit card, so I haven't had to look into it but I'd think with a Resident Permit, or a Residence Permit for Foreigners and a bank account, you should be able to get a credit card here.
Anybody got any experience with this?
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Spiderman Too
Joined: 15 Aug 2004 Posts: 732 Location: Caught in my own web
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Spiderman Too got his visa, last time, in Bangkok, according to one of his posts in March, this year. |
I have heard reports that Americans cannot obtain 'Z' visas in Hong Kong. If true, it is probably because of the following rule (lifted from the Chinese Embassy's website):-
1. You must come to the visa office of the Embassy or Consulate-General in the consular jurisdiction where you live to submit the application; or
2. If you cannot come personally, you may entrust someone else or a travel/visa agent to come to the visa office of the Embassy or Consulate -General in the consular jurisdiction where you live to submit the application process.
I got my first Chinese visa in Thailand in 2003. It was an 'L', tourist visa. I didn't go to the Chinese Embassy (I wasn't living in Bangkok), I used a visa agent. The 'L' visa was converted to a 'Z' visa in Chongqing.
I got my second Chinese visa in Thailand in 2004. It was a 'Z' visa. The visa agent could not obtain it for me; I had to go to the embassy myself. I had a letter of invitation from the university and some type of pre-approval letter from the P.S.B. Without being asked to do so, I tendered a copy of my Thai drivers license showing a Thailand address. The visa processing clerk initially told me that I must obtain a medical report. I asked to speak to a senior officer and, after giving him a copy of my former Foreigners Residence Certificate, he waived the medical report requirement.
Next term I'm starting a new job (again) so, in August, I will apply for a new 'Z' visa at the Bangkok embassy. Once again, I have a letter of invitation from the university and some type of pre-approval letter from the P.S.B. However, this time I do not have any proof of address in Thailand; the Thai drivers license has expired. Given that it will be my third visit I am hoping that I won't have any problems. |
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Volodiya
Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 1025 Location: Somewhere, out there
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Hey, Spidy, thanks for helping us out here with the info about getting a visa in Bangkok.
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You raise an interesting question, but I'm willing to bet you that portion of the Embassy website information is from a country, like the U.S., in which there are multiple consulates, and these instructions are just a sorting out of which consulate will process which applications, among those submitted in America.
I've yet to run across anything that suggests you could not arrange, in cooperation with your prospective employer, to apply for a Z visa at any Chinese Consulate or Embassy. (But, that's the beauty of the forums: there's a whole army of bright people out there who can and do, from time to time, share their collective knowledge, and will set us straight if we get too far out in left field!)
You may also have missed this post from no_exit, on May 22:
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He arrived in Kunming on an L visa originally, found a job with a school here, and was told by the school that he had to go out of country to process his paperwork (and they made him pay for this expense as well!).
So he went to Thailand, where the paperwork was processed. He entered the country again on a temporary Z visa, which had to be converted to a residence permit within 30 days. He took his passport with the new visa and the relevant forms to the local PSB, where they issued him one of the new visa/residence permit things, the sticker in the passport which acts as both. |
She didn't say, but this FT flew from Kunming to Chiang Mai, in Thailand: he presented his documentation to apply for the Z visa to the Chinese Consulate there. Chiang Mai just happens to be the location of the Chinese Consulate nearest Kunming, not a bad circumstance for those of us who live in Kunming. |
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Volodiya
Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 1025 Location: Somewhere, out there
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:06 am Post subject: |
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About getting a credit card, in China, other posters have had some things to say-
After running into a lot of hurdles getting a credit card from a state bank, Musicexec offered this comment:
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Joint Venture banks (Shanghai Pudong Development Bank and China Merchants Bank) are alittle more laxed in requiremets. I applied at SPDB and was just asked to show passport, proof of income/contract., residence permit, bank statement/passbook showing last 3 months (so they can see deposits of salary), and letter from employer verifying I do work there. After these were submitted it took about 2 weeks and they called to tell me where to pick the card up at. Simple and easy you say...well maybe not for everyone. |
Cheekygal recommended having a look at HSBC's website:
http://www.hsbc.com.cn/cn/
Waxtadpole commented further, as follows:
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ICBC, BOC, and probably every other bank issue 'international' credit cards. |
JamesD said:
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Just a note, FTs can get credit cards. I've had one for a while in addition to my debit card. |
He made his comment in response to the issue of whether what you'd get would be a "debit card", rather than a credit card. (This would be an important distinction, because buying an airline ticket online will probably require a credit card.) |
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