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klei
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 Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:12 pm Post subject: Summer Employment? |
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Does anyone know if it would be possible to find summer-only employment in Taiwan? I'm starting a job as teaching high school foreign language in the states, and am looking for something to occupy my summer months (starting NEXT year). I have a Master degree in second language teaching, and I've previously worked as an EFL teacher in Japan, Taiwan (I speak Chinese quite well), and Spain, so experience shouldn't be problematic. Airfare reimbursement for such a short time-period would be unlikely, I'm sure, but it would be welcome. University teaching would be great, but I'm open to anything.
Please let me know if you have ideas.
-Klei |
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Sheep-Goats
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Schools where a new teacher is in front of the kids every two week don't tend to retain their students and therefore don't stay in business very long. Maybe because of this, or maybe for some other reason, there generally aren't any schools willing to hire peoople -- even people with an MA and experience -- for short periods of time. A month is definetly too short a period. Maybe there would be something for you if you had 3 or 6 months, but one? But you should know that, having taught overseas already...
In Thailand there are these "summer camps" in April that none of the salaried teachers want to touch, and so schools will sometimes look for somone for just a month to cover those spots. I don't know if there are things like that in Taiwan, though. |
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clark.w.griswald
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I am not aware of too much short term work.
There is of course the concerns raised by the above posts.
Add to this the fact that the work is very unlikely to be within actual legal positions, and you can get an idea that short term work is not a big thing here in Taiwan.
Would a voluntary program in China do the trick? Why not ask the question on the China forum and see what you get? |
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gregoryfromcali
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Ki
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I have seen a few summer camp jobs advertised. I'm sure that they aren't legal but neither is a lot of the other work here. Take your chances if you wish.
http://www.gogotaiwan.com/northengjobsht/NorthEngJobs_toc.htm
I saw one job advertised here under "Summer Camps!". This one doesn't seem to be too bad but I have seen some god-awful positions offered under the guise of summer/winter camps. I would assume that any camp position would involve many hours with little or no time off but that it would also be relatively 'easy' work. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| You can check out ALV summer camp. I think that it is too late to get a job for this summmer but the summer camp takes place every summer. They pay around $325 US a week. They advertise every year on Dave's ESL Cafe. |
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Aristotle
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In the past it was relatively simple to get a good paying summer job for a few months. It may still be easy to get a job but the pay and benefits are not what they used to be.
Don't worry about the ARC and work permits the locals don't.
Please read this.
Link to Success!
Good luck!
A.
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| Aristotle wrote: |
| In the past it was relatively simple to get a good paying summer job for a few months. It may still be easy to get a job but the pay and benefits are not what they used to be. |
I disagree with this. There is no evidence that pay and benfits are any different than before, and in fact the evidence at hand seems to suggest that pay and benefits are higher than years gone by. I welcome Aristotle to supply some source for this unfounded rumor that he is trying to spread.
I guess that I should clarify my earlier post in this thread. I agree with the others that there is adequate short term work available over summer, and this availability is inline with past years. I am not aware however of a lot of summer short term work that it would be advisable for foreign teachers to get involved with, considering issues of legality. |
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JZer
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clark.w.griswald is correct that most short term work would be illegal. Working at ALV summer camp is illegal unless you:
1. get a holiday working permit (I think they are available to people from Australia)
2. You are married to a Taiwanese citizen and have a work permit through them.
3. You can secure a short term work permit. I don't think that ALV would issue you one even if you asked.
Clark, if I made a mistake here please correct me. |
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clark.w.griswald
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| JZer wrote: |
clark.w.griswald is correct that most short term work would be illegal. Working at ALV summer camp is illegal unless you:
1. get a holiday working permit (I think they are available to people from Australia)
2. You are married to a Taiwanese citizen and have a work permit through them.
3. You can secure a short term work permit. I don't think that ALV would issue you one even if you asked.
Clark, if I made a mistake here please correct me. |
Certainly couldn't have said it better myself.
And if I had've tried it would have been about 1000 words long  |
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Girl Scout
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clark.w.griswald
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I know that it has been said before, but I think that it bears saying again.
There is no mention in the above job ad about visas. The reason for this is that the teachers working in this program are asked to do so on the visitors visa that they arrive in Taiwan on. It is not legal for teachers to do this. The chances of encountering any problems is slight, and this is borne out by the fact that the program has been around for a while and yet there are no records of any teachers getting into any strife.
The ALV program has been spoken about on this board before. I agree with the other people that posted before that it is no doubt a good program, it has been around for a while, the benefits look good, there are no complaints from teachers who have worked in the program in the past, you get paid what you are told that you get paid, and the benefts look more than reasonable to me. If I were going to go for a short term summer program teaching in Taiwan, then I would no doubt go for the ALV program.
None of this takes away from the fact that the majority, if not all, of the teachers working in that program are doing so illegally, and I just want to point this out to potential teachers so that they can make an informed decision. |
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Aristotle
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| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:48 am Post subject: |
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1. get a holiday working permit (I think they are available to people from Australia)
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I am sorry to have to inform all the Australians out there but there is no such thing as a holiday working permit on Taiwan.
Taiwan did sign a bilateral reciprocating agreement with Australia granting reciprocating rights to working holiday permits on Taiwan.
Unfortunately to the best of my knowledge Taiwan has never and will never issue a working holiday visas to non Chinese even though Taiwanese visiting Australia were granted the right to working holiday status almost immediately upon the completion of the said agreement.
This is just one of the countless instances of the Taiwan government's failure to abide by it's international treaties and agreements.
On Taiwan the general rule is say one thing and do another.
When the government of Taiwan is asked to make a decision between honoring the human and civil rights of non Chinese and furthering racial oppression of non Chinese on Taiwan, the government of Taiwan will opt for oppression past, present and future.
Welcome to Taiwan!
A. |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Aristotle wrote: |
| ...there is no such thing as a holiday working permit on Taiwan. |
Well that's not what the authorities say. The link that you provided to your website isn't working but here is a working link to the relevant information.
Not only with Australia. They signed the agreement with New Zealand as well.
Here is the Australian press release.
Here is the reciprocation from the New Zealand authorities, which was updated just recently.
And finally, Taiwan's proclamation of the scheme can be seen here.
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| Unfortunately to the best of my knowledge Taiwan has never and will never issue a working holiday visas to non Chinese |
Well it appears that your knowledge of the subject is somewhat lacking, which raises the question as to why you post when you don't know what you are talking about.
I have no idea how many people have taken advantage of the scheme to come to Taiwan, but if no one has done so then that is by their choice not the government of Taiwan.
I agree with the earlier poster in that the working holiday scheme may be a way for foreigners from certain countries to work over the summer legally. This is valuable information, and I thank him or her for bringing this all to our attention.
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| When the government of Taiwan is asked to make a decision between honoring the human and civil rights of non Chinese and furthering racial oppression of non Chinese on Taiwan, the government of Taiwan will opt for oppression past, present and future. |
Aristotle if you can't even get your facts straight on a simple subject such as working holiday visas, then how is it that you expect us to have any faith in any of your other opinions. Isn't possible that they are all as invalid as your comments above. |
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JZer
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| As you can see, there is an airfare reimbursement for some of the options. |
They do not really reimburse your flight. They pay about $325 U.S. a week. You can call it what you want but you will only get $325 X the amount of weeks that you worked.
So for ten days you will get paid $650
for 20 days-$1,300 and so on |
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