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antonita



Joined: 12 Jun 2005
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Location: currently in china will return to india soon

PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:39 am    Post subject: Air fare Reply with quote

hai every one
i am kinda lost here. i have finished my classes on the 15th and is still waiting for my air fare to be reinbursed. i had travelled to china on a one way ticket cause i was not sure as to how long i would be staying in china and where i would be returning to. as per the contract the university is required to pay me 7000 yuan (that is the maximum that they pay).
the director now wants to see the return ticket with the fare on it. when ever i bring up the topic of the ticket he asks me to show him the ticket. he very well knows that the ticket cost more that 7000 but is playing up.
i also would like to know if it is required by law that they pay us the vacation pay.
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antonita
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tw



Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:49 am    Post subject: Re: Air fare Reply with quote

antonita wrote:
i also would like to know if it is required by law that they pay us the vacation pay.


If it's not in your contract then they don't have to pay you anything for vacations.

Did you not keep the receipt for your plane ticket? Show it to your boss, then ask your boss to buy you a return ticket.
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tony lee



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since you are finishing now it sounds as if you had a 10 month contract, in which case you should have been paid for the winter vacation (I'm talking about government schools here. Private language schools may not give you any holidays unless it is in the contract) but you will probably get nothing for the summer vacation because it is outside your contract.
The vacation travelling allowance is the same -- just paid for the winter vacation unless you are signing on for another year (in which case you will sometimes get paid for one month of the summer vacation..

I'm not certain that schools are obliged to part with the money for airfares unless you actually travel somewhere. It is intended as a relocation expense reimbursement rather than part of your salary. Of course many schools are pretty accommodating about the airfare but that doesn't mean that all schools MUST be.

The whole problem is the idea that there are certain things that MUST be provided regardless of whether they are in the contract and I believe this is rubbish, The standard contract is very short and mentions salary and a disputes procedure and very little else. All the really good stuff is supposed to be in the annex to the contract and I know schools that don't have such an annex. Trouble is that most teachers don't know enough about the system to realise what is missing.
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kev7161



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice is to pull out your contract right now and have a look. Go ahead, we'll wait for you.

Hmm, hmm. Anyone heard any good jokes lately? Did you know I'm moving to Suzhou soon? Oh, you do? I must've mentioned that before. I guess I'm going to be reduced to buying a bootleg copy of "Batman . . .

Oh, you're back. Good. Now find the place where it talks about airfare reimbursement. Most contracts should have an area where the details are listed. Most schools, to reimburse you fully (or "up to" a certain amount), will require you have a receipt of purchase. Perhaps the unused page of your ticket (since it was a one-way) will do. Do you have that? In other words, do you have proof of purchase? Schools have to have all the paperwork in order for their own accounting purposes. If you don't have it, then most schools will either give you a pre-determined amount (say, 5000rmb) or will buy your one-way ticket back home. Sometimes schools give an end-of-the-contract "bonus" in lieu of a plane fare reimbursement. This often equals one month of your regular pay. Take another look at your contract . . . let us know, won't you?

Vacation pay is not "required by law". Again, your contract should probably cover what they will or will not pay for holidays. If you didn't sign a 12-month contract (as Tony Lee said), then there is little doubt that you WON'T be paid for the summer months. It's still not too late to find a summer camp job if you need the extra cash.
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antonita



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Location: currently in china will return to india soon

PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:33 pm    Post subject: thank you Reply with quote

thank you for the suggestions. this is where things get more confusing i am a new zealand resident with an indian citizenship, and prior to me coming to china i had visited india so my ticket was from india and at them moment i plan to visit india for a holiday and then travel to NZ since we have winter there at this time.
there is nothing mentioned about the air fare in my contract instead they have printed on a piece of paper the sentence given below
"reimbursement of return airfare for up to 7000 yuan". the director had sealed it and signed on it. ( hope this paper is legal )
well i spoke to the other techers in this uni and they have told me that "eventually they would pay". i wonder if eventually happens after some threathening . any ways i am keeping my fingers crossed.
shall tell you guys what happens after i submit my one way ticket.
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englishgibson



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:24 pm    Post subject: Air fare Reply with quote

antonita wrote:

there is nothing mentioned about the air fare in my contract instead they have printed on a piece of paper the sentence given below
"reimbursement of return airfare for up to 7000 yuan". the director had sealed it and signed on it. ( hope this paper is legal )
well i spoke to the other techers in this uni and they have told me that "eventually they would pay". i wonder if eventually happens after some threathening .


Antonita, it sounds like you are new to the business. I am sorry to put it to you this harsh way, but "printed on a piece of paper" is pretty ridiculous when dealing with Contracts and "up to 7000 yuan" does not always have to be that 7000 yuan. Further more, signing "a piece of paper" that is not an official/bind document might mean nothing. Does that "piece of paper" have any official stamp of the school on it? Well, it might not mean much, but it could help. Does your current Contract say that there is an "attachement" to it (refererring to your "piece of paper)? Now, that could really help you. Threatening might not get you anywhere, if they played you with words in your current Contract. So, one more time go through your Contract and see. I am sorry that you are in this situation, but I hope that you'll learn from this and read your future Contracts better and sign it only if you understand all the wording in it perfectly. One more thing is that you should never sign "pieces of paper" again.

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tw



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:53 pm    Post subject: Re: thank you Reply with quote

antonita wrote:
this is where things get more confusing i am a new zealand resident with an indian citizenship, and prior to me coming to china i had visited india so my ticket was from india and at them moment i plan to visit india for a holiday and then travel to NZ since we have winter there at this time.


Pretty well all airfare reimbursements is for the plane ticket from the closest international airport in China near you to the nearest international airport in the country your passport belongs to.

Also, they will pay UP TO 7000, it doesn't mean they WILL give you 7000. They can give you 4000 if they wanted.


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tony lee



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no point in alarming the OP unecessarily.

Take the bit of paper as meaning what it says -- and that is they will reimburse your fare up to a maximum of 7000. Reimburse is not the same as "give"

It does mean that if you don't have an airfare to reimburse, you MAY not get reimbursed.
If you total verifyable travel expenses are 7000 or more then just assume that you will get 7000. Assuming you are going to get dudded is a recipe for getting dudded because of the ill-wiill that is there before the talk even begins.

Go and talk with the FAO. Tell him your situation. Take the documentation proving what you paid for the original ticket (and what is printed on the ticket is usually double what you paid for it so you may need better proof) and get the process started. If you are that distrustful, get a photocopy of the documents before you give it to him.

The point we sometimes miss is that shonky verification of expenses is not good enough in the west so why should it be acceptable in the east.
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Zero Hero



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most if not all employers in Mainland China will only reimburse an airfare to your point of original departure. That is, if you came from London they would only provide a flight back to London. Do not expect them to finance you to go gallivanting around the globe.

Obviously if your ticket only cost 3,500 Yuan they would only reimburse that sum. The 7,000 figure in your contract is the maximum, not a default payment (hence the words 'up to'). Also, do not necessarily expect them to hand you over actual cash. Many employers will purchase the ticket for you, and believe me, they will get the cheapest one available � do not expect a buckshee trip.
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englishgibson



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:32 am    Post subject: Air fare Reply with quote

Zero Hero wrote:
Also, do not necessarily expect them to hand you over actual cash. Many employers will purchase the ticket for you, and believe me, they will get the cheapest one available � do not expect a buckshee trip.


Zero Hero, yeah the cheapest ticket and that's what many employers do. If your Contract does not have THE END OF THE CONTRACT CASH REIMBURSEMENT IN THE SUM OF ....., you'll often be at the mercy of your employers. My EF English Farce Huizhou's employer decided to find that "LOWEST MARKET VALUE" of my returned ticket to Toronto, Canada for I think 6,700 RMB by some Korean Airline (with return to China for I had to start my next Contract with them). I do not want to exaggerate here, but I believe I was supposed to transfer three times. What a great trip home that would've been. How many hours of flying and waiting? Hm.

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tw



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:38 am    Post subject: Re: Air fare Reply with quote

englishgibson wrote:
My EF English Farce Huizhou's employer decided to find that "LOWEST MARKET VALUE" of my returned ticket to Toronto, Canada for I think 6,700 RMB by some Korean Airline (with return to China for I had to start my next Contract with them). I do not want to exaggerate here, but I believe I was supposed to transfer three times. What a great trip home that would've been. How many hours of flying and waiting? Hm.


Korean Airline is a GREAT airline and you should be happy you flew that instead of Air China. OK, so you went from what, Beijing to Seoul, then Seoul to Vancouver and from Vancouver to Toronto? Well, every airline has to stop in Vancouver to re-fuel. I have to say though, 6700 from China to Toronto and then back is dirt cheap.
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