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chaz47



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:16 am    Post subject: i am in Japan now... Reply with quote

and my study abroad program ends in the first week of July, i don't want to return to the US yet and want to try ESL, someone posted that i should look into Taiwan as an alternative to Korea and China... i was wondering what sort of work i would have to do in country (Taiwan) to get a job, how to dress, etc... also how much Mandarin would i need to know...?

is it possible to get an adults only position?

thanks
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Girl Scout



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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Location: Inbetween worlds

PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe you already said you have a BA and you were getting a second one. You could teach English. Most of the jobs are teaching little kids and school aged kids. You don't need to know any mandarin to work or live here. Jobs here require a one year commitment.

Dress codes are very loose. Clean is about the only thing my employer cares about.

You can find a job here all year round. Peak hiring times are July and Aug. A lot of the adult only positions are looking for people with experience. These jobs also get taken by people who have been here awhile and know when and who to talk to. If you are interested in teaching adults, but don't get lucky enough to pick up one these jobs, I suggest you find a position that requires only the min. to get your ARC. Then you could teach adult privates.
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Sheep-Goats



Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your contract will be for a year and Taiwan is blacklisting contract breakers right now. You have a year to spare?

Dress here is equivalent to American dress -- which is slightly more formal than Canadian if you're Canadian. Lots of teachers here teach in shorts and printed T-shirts (or the school's uniform shirt), but you'll be more appreciated if you upgrade that a bit to nice jeans/khakis and something a little more formal than a plain 'ol crewneck T.

Interviews are interviews and you should dress for interviews when interviewing, ok?

Mandarin is an asset for kindergarten classes, which are both illegal and plentiful. By first or second grade most of the kids you'll be dealing with have enough English to fairly easily understand directions and have dealt with foreigners before, so beyond beginner level your Chinese ability isn't horribly relevant -- but it does help when schmoozing with your boss and/or negotiating.

With no experience and with this being your first post-college job, you'll almost certainly be teaching young children (5 to Cool for a majority of your hours. This is by far the biggest sector of the market anyway, but those teachers who prefer adults (most) and have already been here for a few years do their best to hoard up the adults-only hours.
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chaz47



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:55 am    Post subject: ? Reply with quote

so i just hop a plane to Taiwan and away i go? how do i go about finding a job once i get there? would you say that it is better than Korea? are the kids well behaved? how much money will it cost to survive until i get that job...?

any good sites listing jobs in Taiwan?

thanks all
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Aristotle



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
so i just hop a plane to Taiwan and away i go? how do i go about finding a job once i get there? would you say that it is better than Korea? are the kids well behaved? how much money will it cost to survive until i get that job...?

any good sites listing jobs in Taiwan?

That's basically it. It helpf if you have a Multiple Entry visa for business purposes but many people just come and go on a landing visa. Upgrade later if you decide to stay.
The easiest way to get a multiple entry visa is to apply through a travel agent for business purposes.
Multiple Entry Visa's for Taiwan!

Please read this.
Link to Success!
Also be advised that there is no such thing as protection of privacy on Taiwan and the government is for the most part unable or unwilling to enforce the law. If you make your personal info public or worse yet give it to a Taiwanese business person you may be in for an unpleasant surprise.
Good luck!
A.
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clark.w.griswald



Joined: 06 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes the best advice is to come here on a visitors visa and find work once you get here. The current system supports this way of doing things.

Aristotle wrote:
It helpf if you have a Multiple Entry visa for business purposes but many people just come and go on a landing visa. Upgrade later if you decide to stay.


This is incorrect.

Do not come on a landing visa as you cannot extend it nor can it be changed into any other type of visa. If you use a landing visa to enter Taiwan then you will have to leave the country within 30 days no matter waht you decide when you get here. Suggesting that a landing visa is a good idea is bad advice.

I don't agree on the business visa either. Most people don't qualify for that type of visa and I don't see that it has any benefit over a visitors visa. The visitors visa is relatively easy to get, and is very easily changed into a resident visa in country should you find a job.

Aristotle wrote:
Also be advised that there is no such thing as protection of privacy on Taiwan and the government is for the most part unable or unwilling to enforce the law. If you make your personal info public or worse yet give it to a Taiwanese business person you may be in for an unpleasant surprise.


Ignore this. It is not based upon anything but Aristotles imagination.
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Sheep-Goats



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:33 pm    Post subject: Re: ? Reply with quote

chaz47 wrote:
1 so i just hop a plane to Taiwan and away i go? 2 how do i go about finding a job once i get there? 3 would you say that it is better than Korea? 4 are the kids well behaved? 5 how much money will it cost to survive until i get that job...?

6 any good sites listing jobs in Taiwan?

thanks all


1 You should find a Taiwanese quasi-consulate (they're not called consulates as only countries have those and Taiwan doesn't want to piss off the USA by making any intimations that it's a genuine country) and get a 60 day visa first. It'll cost 20USD or so, takes a day or two to process. Look around online for the nearest one to you. Then get on the plane.

2 A lot of jobs are on the internet. You can also door-to-door many schools -- there are lots of English schools near Elementary schools (which will be marked on any good map) and near any major shopping mall or intersection. Contacts are a great way to get jobs, but you can't consider the people here on eslcafe as "contacts" as we're actually just computer programs that type up semi-bogus info about getting yourself halfway around the world. And we do it while drunk.

3 I would, but that's because I'm not interested in anything Korean at all, whereas I have a deep regaurd for Chinese literature. Plus, I get to ride around on a scooter here. Suppose I could do that in Korea, too. Anyway, Korea give you more money, Taiwan has nicer people. A lot of folks here have taught in Korea too, most don't have a strong preference.

4 For kids they are, but that means they howl and punch eachother and run around when you're trying to explain things and sometimes crap in their pants. Most of the time it's tolerable, but they will drive you up a wall often enough -- unless you're one of those "i jussth looooove widdle chwildwen" types.

5 3000USD wouln't be amiss. You could maybe swing it on 2000USD. Taiwan isn't cheap -- rent and beer are the big killers here, but you can cut those costs if you're willing to work outside of Taipei. Which is probably not a good idea if it's your first time overseas.

6 tealit.com has the best jobs board for Taiwan that I've found, by far.

Best time to come is mid July. Other times are okay. Except February, because that's Chinese new year.
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