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monju
Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 89 Location: Wutaishan, China
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:33 pm Post subject: Minimum legal wage? |
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Can anybody tell me if there's a minimum legal wage that schools are obliged to pay "foreign experts" in China?
I've done searches and can't find anything.
I'd be most grateful if anyone can tell me. |
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englishgibson
Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:44 pm Post subject: Minimum legal wage? |
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Yes, there is and it is a big zero or 0 RMB per month or per year.
That is of course if you sign a Contract for that ZERO or if you do not sign any Contract.
I am sorry to have disappointed you here.
Cheers and beers |
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englishgibson
Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject: Minimum legal wage? |
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Monju, the workers in some provinces have a minimum wage of 600 RMB per month, though it might not apply to that "foreign experts". I'd assume that you would not go for a job that pays you less than hmmm... 40 RMB per teaching hour, would you? My Chinese girlfirend is an English teacher, she majored in English and she has got that 40-45 RMB per hour most of the time. I've heard of Chinese English teachers getting paid 800 RMB per month to just give you an idea here.
Sorry about that sarcasm in my previous post.
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nolefan

Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 1458 Location: on the run
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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While I have no official papers confirming this, I do believe that the minimum wage that a university can pay a "foreign expert" is 2800 RMB/month for course load ranging between 12 and 16 periods/week.
Maybe someone else can confirm this. |
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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 3898
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I have read somewhere reliable that 2500/month is the minimum legal salary. How many periods a week? That I don't know. |
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tarzaninchina
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 348 Location: World
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:16 am Post subject: Certainty |
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I am 100% certain on this and have verified it over the past year or so from various governmental and non-governmental sources.
The MINIMUM pay for a foreign expert per month, full-time, is 2,500 RMB. There are other details for minimum conditions for other non-pay-related clauses in an employment contract here in China. |
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| I would have thought it was set at 2200, but perhaps it is 2500; it's not been raised in the last ten, or perhaps, many more years! The same as with airfare: minimum is set at RMB 5000 though this seems to be interpreted as a guideline. |
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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 3898
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| Roger wrote: |
| I would have thought it was set at 2200, but perhaps it is 2500; it's not been raised in the last ten, or perhaps, many more years! The same as with airfare: minimum is set at RMB 5000 though this seems to be interpreted as a guideline. |
I have seen an ad in which ONLY 4000 RMB will be given for airfare reimbursement upon the completion of ONE YEAR's contract.
But the monthly salary was damn high. |
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monju
Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 89 Location: Wutaishan, China
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for your replies everybody.
Is anyone able to tell me where I might get further information?
Is the airfare a legal obligation?
I 'm in a really abusive situation and need to get out of it, however I'd rather not do a runner. I'd like to settle it properly. If I break my contract it will cause more problems than it solves,
What counts as full time work? My contract stipulates a minimum of 10 hours per week, but doesn't allow me to work anywhere else. Is that full time? |
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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 3898
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| monju wrote: |
Is the airfare a legal obligation?
What counts as full time work? My contract stipulates a minimum of 10 hours per week, but doesn't allow me to work anywhere else. Is that full time? |
The airfare is whatever you and your employer agreed to in your contract.
If you want to moonlight, go for it. FT's do it all the time. It says MINIMUM of 10 hours which means you have to teach at least 10 hours a week if the work is available to keep your end of the bargain. If the work is not available then they still have to pay you whatever amount you two agreed to -- even if you only teach 4 or 6 hours a week. |
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Zero Hero
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Posts: 944
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| monju wrote: |
| What counts as full time work? My contract stipulates a minimum of 10 hours per week, but doesn't allow me to work anywhere else. Is that full time? |
If I were you I would be more concerned about the maximum number of hours, not the minimum. You will also have to investigate what is meant by 'work' as it is an incredibly plastic term in China. I think that figure of 10 will refer to contact hours, not overall hours. With preparation and marking this would equate to around 20 hours a week. Do not assume you will be free to go off gallivanting around town at all times apart from those 10 hours, you may well be expected to sit for another 10 or 20 hours a week in an office so as to prevent you from conducting any outside work. This is an increasing trend on the Mainland. Make sure there is no reference to 'required 'office hours'' in your contract because if you are there you will often be given work outside of your purview. |
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cj750

Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 3081 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Contract or not..if the employer has less than contract specified hours then it is likely you will have a cut in salary. most contracts provide a clause that will cover this and remember that contract law and court procedures are not on the same administrative level. There fore it is very hard in court to prove that your contract stands as stated. A verbal contract change is acceptable in chinese court.
The 10 hours could be class room time with testing or office hours to make up the rest. You do not have the normal right to refuse overtime in China. Air fare is stated (usually) as a refund and there for e will conform to prearanged amounts or receipt based reinbursements. All income in china is susposed to be taxed with a deductable ammount decided by income bans. So the airfare can be taxed as well as housing. Working outside of the "work permit" is against the law and subject to fines and loss of permits..and yes I have seen then catch FTs working at other locations than their work units. |
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tarzaninchina
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 348 Location: World
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:50 am Post subject: Finnicky |
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You gotta watch the legal minimums, as there are plenty. It's everything you negotiate on top of that which makes your contract livable. This, BTW, has been mentioned ad nauseum....
- kitchen (only if staying for longer than 6 months)
- airfare (between closest city in China to the city in your home country that's closest to China)
- etc. |
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Mysterious Mark
Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 121
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Certainty |
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| tarzaninchina wrote: |
| I am 100% certain on this and have verified it over the past year or so from various governmental and non-governmental sources. [...] There are other details for minimum conditions for other non-pay-related clauses in an employment contract here in China. |
Where can we find these details? I've found some stuff on the internet, but it was meant for (official) Foreign Experts, so I'm left wondering what the laws/regulations are for people who don't have FEC's. |
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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 3898
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:44 am Post subject: Re: Certainty |
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[quote="Mysterious Mark"]
| tarzaninchina wrote: |
| Where can we find these details? I've found some stuff on the internet, but it was meant for (official) Foreign Experts, so I'm left wondering what the laws/regulations are for people who don't have FEC's. |
Unfortunately, if you are there teaching without a FEC then you are working illegally and as such, you are at the mercy of the employer. So they can pretty well pay you whatever peanuts they want to throw at you and tell you to either take it or there's the front door.
BTW you are in Shanxi? |
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