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Best future path -Advice from the more experienced
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denises



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:27 am    Post subject: Best future path -Advice from the more experienced Reply with quote

Im 24, american have a BA in Business and a BA in Biology, and speak some Spanish. Considering I have no teaching experience, I was hoping I might get a teaching position in Japan with the Jet Program. Possibly get a Masters at some point.

My question is: Is it attainable for someone to have a steady job (ex year after year) that provides paid or unpaid vacation time of 2 or more months each year, pref more? For the long run Id like to work abroad in Central/south America, or thailand/japan and also spend time with my friends and family back home for some time. I guess what im trying to say is id like to try and live a dual life- one at home and one abroad.... is this possible? Im assuming higher education would be nec. and id need just enough $ to get by...I ahve considered teaching in the Peace Corps. not sure if this would be an asset or not, but I think id prefer to teach on my own.


Any thoughts on steady positions with 2 months+ off? I know this is unlikely but it was worth asking about Smile
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most K-12 type schools in Latin America only give about 5 weeks off in the summer--but they do give 2 or 3 weeks at Christmas and a couple of weeks around Easter.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the JET Program offers 21 days off per year, but that depends on the individual school. You may actually have to work when other JET ALTs don't.

As for getting that much paid time off in other jobs here (Japan), I wouldn't count on it in the first year for sure. Most conversation schools give a week off in spring, a week off in August, and a couple of weeks over Xmas/New Year, plus a dozen scattered national holidays. If you want to get into mainstream schools, you might have to work during the "breaks" to some degree. Summer break is about a month. So is winter break. My school has mandatory classes during the break for study support and other things, so kids don't really get much of a break. And, if you are attached to a sports club, you can almost be guaranteed of working over breaks for practice and/or tournaments.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:01 am    Post subject: Re: Best future path -Advice from the more experienced Reply with quote

denises wrote:
Im 24, american have a BA in Business and a BA in Biology, and speak some Spanish. Considering I have no teaching experience, I was hoping I might get a teaching position in Japan with the Jet Program. Possibly get a Masters at some point.


You missed the cut off date. People are arriving in Japan at the end of next month and the beginning of the following one. The application comes out in September and is due in November. You get a LOT of time off in the JET programme. But by 'off' I mean not in the classroom. You normally have to go to either your Board of Eduation or regular school (for senior High School ALTs) during school breaks. School breaks here are not two months long, they're one. You normally cannot take holidays during school sessions without a good reason (death in the family etc).

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My question is: Is it attainable for someone to have a steady job (ex year after year) that provides paid or unpaid vacation time of 2 or more months each year, pref more? For the long run Id like to work abroad in Central/south America, or thailand/japan and also spend time with my friends and family back home for some time. I guess what im trying to say is id like to try and live a dual life- one at home and one abroad.... is this possible? Im assuming higher education would be nec. and id need just enough $ to get by...I ahve considered teaching in the Peace Corps. not sure if this would be an asset or not, but I think id prefer to teach on my own.


Any thoughts on steady positions with 2 months+ off? I know this is unlikely but it was worth asking about Smile


Three options come to mind:

1. university professor (can you get a PhD and publications in Applied Linguistics pronto?)
2. freelancing and trying to make a living out of it. You work for yourself and so can do anything you want. It's hard to make money, and not in the steady job category.
3. Do something with that business degree of yours in an area that could make use of it (for the vacation time, you might have to be a 'consultant'- again not 'steady'). There are often ads out for people to work in areas not related to English teaching in English newspapers here, but you need to speak Japanese, which I gather you do not. Maybe you could do something in Mexico or another Spanish speaking country with what you've already got.

Note: most jobs in EFL are yearly contracts so 'year after year' is hard to answer. Maybe with connections you could, but generally people go back to their home countries for two weeks at a time, and it's just like taking vacation time in any job in any country.

Also, if you go to Thailand you likely won't be able to afford to go back to the US every year. The cost of living is very low, and so are the salaries.

Basically, I think if you are planning for the long term, you might want to think about working for a few years overseas while saving as much as you can, then spending a six months to a year in the US then going back overseas (but this would require finding new employment) and then repeating the process over and over. My old German and French teacher from high school used to do that in reverse, except he managed to get a leave of absence for the year he was abroad every single time (being qualified to teach both French and German in high schools gave him a lot of bargaining power), until he came back one year and said he'd received a job offer in Singapore that was too good to turn down and so he quit his teaching job in Canada altogether.
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been able to save half of my salary in Latin America--primarily in Mexico--for a number of years, so I usually work abot 6 months of every year.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonraven,
You should tell the OP what sort of position you have so the information is more meaningful. Not everyone can get the job you have with that salary.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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2. freelancing and trying to make a living out of it. You work for yourself and so can do anything you want. It's hard to make money, and not in the steady job category.
3. Do something with that business degree of yours in an area that could make use of it (for the vacation time, you might have to be a 'consultant'- again not 'steady'). There are often ads out for people to work in areas not related to English teaching in English newspapers here, but you need to speak Japanese, which I gather you do not. Maybe you could do something in Mexico or another Spanish speaking country with what you've already got.



Denises, I would look into doing a combination of these. If you are going to be into it for the long run, I think that you might want to try to save as much money as you can in say Saudi Arabia and Japan and invest it in something (maybe real estate). Then you could receive an income from that and freelance. So when you wanted to return home you could just live off of the income that you earn from your investment. Then you could return and continue freelancing. Just a sugestion that I am thinking about trying myself.
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denises



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 4:36 am    Post subject: Sounds good Reply with quote

Alot of great advice mentioned, I think a key component is that I need to plan ahead and save! Would a masters degree in education be an asset?
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JonnytheMann



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you work at a true international private school, you can earn a good salary and get summers off. You usually need a teaching certificate from the US (you're American, right? I forget). And you also need 2 years experience teaching in the US. Sometimes these qualifications aren't so strict. They usually pay for your plane tickets once a year or so. Just make sure you get a job at a real international school and not some fake one that pays you a local salary instead of an "American" salary.
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moot point



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

American/International schools sound great. Why aren't all the disgruntled qualified teachers in the states and other English-speaking nations not lining up for these jobs? Or are they?

I'm curious here for some answers. I've seen such recommendations offered on numerous occasions in Dave's -- go for a teacher's license and teach at an international school. Is it really that simple?

If so, it would make up my mind to enrol in a teacher certification course (probably in OZ or NZ) and pay substantial international fees.

If not, perhaps I should depend more on my MA in TESL and seek temporary university assistant lecturing positions until inevitably having to pursue a PhD to obtain a tenure at some institution.

Any suggestions?
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denises



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is going to sound naive- could someone list some examples of america/english schools in latin america, i can google the words to death but am a bit confused as to what schools fall in what category..

there are international schools that teach american expat/diplomat children..There are also american schools to teach local children, then there seems to be american affiliated schools that arent american!

Also, are these nice positions teaching english or a subject...im more interested in english teaching
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glensk--I have been in Latin America for a dozen years, and seldom spend more than a year in one position (4 years as a language school director being the only exception). What I posted referred to all the jobs I have had.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Glensk--I have been in Latin America for a dozen years, and seldom spend more than a year in one position (4 years as a language school director being the only exception). What I posted referred to all the jobs I have had.

Thanks, moonraven, and I also think denises should know you are 60 years old, which is quite a far cry from her own situation.
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski--I hope what you wrote was not an example of ageism.

I did not start teaching EFL until I was 50. Yes, I had a PhD and teaching experience--but not in EFL.

I have taught in a wide variety of schools here: language schools, junior high and high schools, universities.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonraven,
No ageism in my thoughts at all. Just trying to present denises with a totally clear picture. She is 24 with a BA and no teaching experience. You wrote "I have been able to save half of my salary in Latin America--primarily in Mexico--for a number of years, so I usually work abot 6 months of every year." as well as "I have been in Latin America for a dozen years, and seldom spend more than a year in one position (4 years as a language school director being the only exception). What I posted referred to all the jobs I have had." but you didn't say that you were older when you got started, nor did you say what sort of jobs you had (and still have only mentioned one, which is probably not something she can get right away), so that didn't give denises an accurate foundation to compare situations.
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