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The Goblin Queen

Joined: 31 Jan 2005 Posts: 23 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:17 am Post subject: inquiries on the Japan front... |
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I'm wondering the best way to go about things, as I assume most of us are.
I apologize if these inquiries are repeated constantly within these forums.
My name is Meghan and I'm 21, and I live in Vancouver, BC.
I've just finished my classes for getting my TEFL certifcate at Vancouver Community College. I still have yet to finish a couple of take-home exams and a 28-hour practicum of volunteering in classrooms. I also need to apply for my passport and get a working holiday visa (or something similar) from the local Japanese embassy here. I also plan on taking as many Japanese classes as possible before I go until I can stand it no more.
I don't have a degree. And no, I'm not trying to mock all of you who claim to take their teaching careers seriously, or whathaveyou. I am just really interested in broadening my horizons, creating experiences, learning, and being awesome.
I took the TEFL certificate course with the knowlege given to me by the school that not all ESL schools require a bachelors degree (or something similar.)
I've never been to Japan, but it is my #1 choice of destination. I'm not really there to make money, but I'm hoping I will make enough to fund my experience there, and not lose a bunch of cash in the process.
So I'm wondering quite a few things, and I'm hoping for some honesty, cuz I would really appreciate it...
-is it better to go to Japan and THEN look for a job, or look for one here, and THEN go?
-what schools are respectable, yet still hire beginner teachers with TEFL certification? (If there is a contract required, a 3-month one would be preferable.)
-what are the key things that need to be taken care of before going? (ie: medical, clothing, certain items that can't be found in Japan, getting a computer, insurance, etc.)
-where are affordable/safe places to stay while looking for a place to live/a job? (ie: hostels, etc.)
-what areas of Japan are more affordable to live in/not rural and ten thousand lightyears away from cities?
-what areas of Japan are the most open-minded/casual/artistic?
-what are some good tips on saving money? (going to/from and being in Japan)
-what are some of the best ways to learn how to get around?
-what are some tips on not getting screwed over for being a first-time visitor/caucasian/first-time teacher/not a fluent speaker of Nihongo/etc.?
-what other key considerations am I missing?
Basically, I need a game plan. Ideally, I would like to end up in Japan in the spring of 2006.
Thanks very much for your patience.
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-Meghan |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:44 am Post subject: |
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-is it better to go to Japan and THEN look for a job, or look for one here, and THEN go?
In your situation, with no degree, you cannot get a work visa, but you can get that working holiday visa (in about 2 weeks). Since it doesn't require an employer to sponsor you, you can come over right away and hunt for work. Be advised it is expensive to set yourself up here. Plan for US$4000 for a couple of months. Also, the best hiring time is March.
-what schools are respectable, yet still hire beginner teachers with TEFL certification? (If there is a contract required, a 3-month one would be preferable.)
I don't think anyone can tell you names of schools for this sort of thing. Most eikaiwas are willing to hire people are willing to hire people with no experience. As long as you have a proper visa (like the WHV), it is more a matter of chemistry during the interview and whether the employer sees that you are somewhat capable of teaching and not getting culture shock.
Contracts are almost exclusively 1-year in length.
-what are the key things that need to be taken care of before going? (ie: medical, clothing, certain items that can't be found in Japan, getting a computer, insurance, etc.)
Clothing would depend on your sizes.
How you get rid of your current housing is up to you.
Insurance can be either a foreign one, or Japanese.
Medical? What are your concerns specifically? No shots are needed. Don't know if you are currently on prescription meds or use contact lenses.
Most things can be found in Japan. Even some western foods can be purchased through the Foreign Buyers Club online. Sort of depends on how finicky one is. Usual items that people suggest include deodorant and multi-vitamins.
Whether you want to bring a laptop here is up to you. There are generally no power concerns.
-where are affordable/safe places to stay while looking for a place to live/a job? (ie: hostels, etc.)
Guest houses (gaijin houses) are the most common places that will rent without an employer to guarantee. You can stay at them for a few days or months at a time. They are like boarding houses. They will run 50,000-80,000 yen/month and some have a refundable 25,000 yen deposit.
-what areas of Japan are more affordable to live in/not rural and ten thousand lightyears away from cities?
Just like in your home country. The smaller the city, the more affordable it is. Get a guide book and learn where the larger cities are.
-what areas of Japan are the most open-minded/casual/artistic?
This is a very subjective question. Open minded to what? Casual in what sense? Artistic meaning what?
The more rural/traditional places will be less open minded about western ways. I can't really understand the other 2 points to answer them.
-what are some good tips on saving money? (going to/from and being in Japan)
Please read these threads.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=25466&highlight=saving+money
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=4201&highlight=cheapskates
-what are some of the best ways to learn how to get around?
Where?
-what are some tips on not getting screwed over for being a first-time visitor/caucasian/first-time teacher/not a fluent speaker of Nihongo/etc.?
Screwed over in a job situation? Look at the contract and if it has lots of legalese, beware. If you are confused about the reliability of an employer, post questions here.
General rules of thumb:
employers usually pay for local transportation (not from overseas)
employers usually provide furnished housing (with paid key money and phone set up)
salaries will usually run 250,000 to 280,000 yen/month (don't accept less)
If the employer won't let you contact current teachers, don't work there.
many employers don't know visa regulations, so be patient, but if you have questions about something, come here and ask (or go to immigration). Beware if the employer wants you to come and start work immediately with grand promises of getting a visa.
Don't live with your employer.
Be advised that although many (most?) employers are trustworthy, many still put illegal clauses in the contracts, whether knowingly or not. Example is one forbidding that you have private lessons in your spare time.
-what other key considerations am I missing?
Realize that Japanese students (young and old) are not used to western styles of teaching. Volunteering to answer questions is usually not done. Responding to direct questions is painstakingly difficult and embarrassing to some. Despite studying English for 6 years in high school, they can hardly speak it because the English they learned is for entrance exams, not conversation. Eikaiwa students are not usually serious about learning English grammar; many just want a social experience out of it.
On a culture shock front, be prepared to be stared at a lot and to have common questions asked (Do you like Japan? Do you like Japanese men? Can you eat Japanese food? Etc.)
Don't impose western morals on things you see here. |
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madeira
Joined: 13 Jun 2004 Posts: 182 Location: Oppama
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:20 am Post subject: |
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This is a very picky, small point... but you aren't doing the VCC practicum, GoblinQueen. The practicum is a part of the VCC TESOL program, and is longer. (60 hrs). You also need to have a degree to get in. You're doing the "In class assignment" portion of the TEFL. Much cheaper and shorter! (Is it supervised? The course description doesn't say.)
Otherwise, good luck, and I'm sure you'll find a job here. The only problem is, I'm pretty sure you'll either want to stay on here after your WHV is finished, or travel to other countries. Having a degree gets you through hoops... so why not do it now? |
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canuck

Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 1921 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Most of your questions are covered and answered extensively by using the search function on this board.
Your best bet would be to get your passport as soon as possible. In addition, get the working holiday forms from the Japanese consulate and start filling them out. It can take a lot of time, especially if you wait until the last minute. You need to get a health check note from your doctor saying you're in good health etc.
I would suggest finding a job from Vancouver over internet. My friend did the same thing. You'll probably end up accepting something in the country side, but if you're open to that, cool. That also reduces the amount of money you would need coming over here and not only living, but using for your job hunt. Being 21, the chances are you don't have a lot of cash. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:05 am Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
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-what are some of the best ways to learn how to get around?
Where?
-what are some tips on not getting screwed over for being a first-time visitor/caucasian/first-time teacher/not a fluent speaker of Nihongo/etc.?
Screwed over in a job situation? Look at the contract and if it has lots of legalese, beware. If you are confused about the reliability of an employer, post questions here.
General rules of thumb:
employers usually pay for local transportation (not from overseas)
employers usually provide furnished housing (with paid key money and phone set up)
salaries will usually run 250,000 to 280,000 yen/month (don't accept less)
If the employer won't let you contact current teachers, don't work there.
many employers don't know visa regulations, so be patient, but if you have questions about something, come here and ask (or go to immigration). Beware if the employer wants you to come and start work immediately with grand promises of getting a visa.
Don't live with your employer.
Be advised that although many (most?) employers are trustworthy, many still put illegal clauses in the contracts, whether knowingly or not. Example is one forbidding that you have private lessons in your spare time. |
Glenski has covered many of the main points and I will add a few here. You can only really get screwed by an employer if you let themm and the reason people get done like a roast dinner is through ignorance, greed, naivete or a combination of the above. I have recently read about people signing up for jobs in China without signing a work contract. that is asking for trouble. Employers are required to abide by labor laws, and i suggest before diving into a job negotiation you find out what you are signing and if you dont know ASK. Get an opinion from on here, but dont assume your employer has your best interests at heart. he is not trying to 'rip you off' but he is running a business and trying to get the best deal possible. Dont bring your emotional and cultural baggage about what you expect employers to be like. this is not Canada and they dont have to abide by Canadian laws and work rules.
Do your homework before you sign. Know what you are getting.
Not all employers provide housing but some will introduce you to a real estate agent. be prepared to spend some money on agents fees and up-front rent. they are not obliged to provide you with housing (you are not a highly paid ex-pat) but most will go as guarantor of your apartment. Someone on a working holiday is on the bottom job rung and doesnt get to call the shots.
Most of what Glenski says is on the money, 250,000 yen is a guideline and not written in stone. there is no legal minimum wage in japan and employers will pay whatever it takes to sponsor your visa. This is around 230,000 yen a month now for some teachers working full time.
Make sure your visa is squared away and dont work on a tourist visa if you can help it, and make sure your work visa is being processed. Some employers will tag you along to keep you on a short leash. for many control of teachers is POWER. Uf they know you are vulnerable and dependent on them for housing and a paycheck they will play you like a violin. Become as independent as you can as soon as you can, and dont rely on employers for ANYTHIING, that iinvolves a roof over your head. best not to have them controlling where you live as well as your job, for if you quit you lose your apartment too.
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-what other key considerations am I missing?
Realize that Japanese students (young and old) are not used to western styles of teaching. Volunteering to answer questions is usually not done. Responding to direct questions is painstakingly difficult and embarrassing to some. Despite studying English for 6 years in high school, they can hardly speak it because the English they learned is for entrance exams, not conversation. Eikaiwa students are not usually serious about learning English grammar; many just want a social experience out of it.
On a culture shock front, be prepared to be stared at a lot and to have common questions asked (Do you like Japan? Do you like Japanese men? Can you eat Japanese food? Etc.)
Don't impose western morals on things you see here. |
You will learn soon enough what it feels like to be a minority. Staring is one thing, awkward questions, but realise that its not Canada, things will be different. You may not agree with them but its their country and you are a visitor. You dont have to grovel and you have rights etc, but theres no need to play the obnoxious tourist and be anti- just for the sake of it.
Be flexible, learn as much as you can and keep an open mind. There are some rogue employers and you may even experience discrimination. Sh-t happens, you deal with it. same stuff happens back in Canada but as a white person you probably never see it, or it flies under the radar.
learn some of the language if you can and try to learn a bit about english teaching. You wont be a pro in a week but some knowledge is better than none. |
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The Goblin Queen

Joined: 31 Jan 2005 Posts: 23 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
-what are the key things that need to be taken care of before going? (ie: medical, clothing, certain items that can't be found in Japan, getting a computer, insurance, etc.)
Clothing would depend on your sizes.
How you get rid of your current housing is up to you.
Insurance can be either a foreign one, or Japanese.
Medical? What are your concerns specifically? No shots are needed. Don't know if you are currently on prescription meds or use contact lenses.
Most things can be found in Japan. Even some western foods can be purchased through the Foreign Buyers Club online. Sort of depends on how finicky one is. Usual items that people suggest include deodorant and multi-vitamins.
Whether you want to bring a laptop here is up to you. There are generally no power concerns. |
As for clothing, I'm wondering about the weather and what's good to bring. I'm sure pants/shorts/etc. should be brought since Asian sizes tend to be teeny.
I have glasses, as well as athsma, so I would need backup in case my medication(s) run out or my glasses break.
I like most Japanese food, and I'm not too picky. I don't drink milk, though, and I try to stay away from refined sugar.
Would it be better/cheaper to get a laptop there? Or get one here and get it all configured before I go?
Glenski wrote: |
-what areas of Japan are the most open-minded/casual/artistic?
This is a very subjective question. Open minded to what? Casual in what sense? Artistic meaning what?
The more rural/traditional places will be less open minded about western ways. I can't really understand the other 2 points to answer them. |
Open minded to western culture (not saying this is way necessary, as I'm not a fan of quite a bit of it), artistic as in lots of art shows, music, creative people, hilarious fashion (ie: fruits, elegant gothic lolita, etc.), and fun people. Somewhere where there's stuff to do...like going out to nightclubs and whatnot. I don't drink, but I'm totally down for dancing around to some good music. I would really like to attend at least one dancehall show in Japan.
As well as many more things. I'm a promoter right now, so that's what I do--organize music events and and be excellent. I would even maybe like to see if I could get a job as a DJ at a club if there's any interested in hiring a gaijin...
Glenski wrote: |
-what are some of the best ways to learn how to get around?
Where? |
Everywhere. Taking transit, cheapest means of transportation, good maps to use, good resources, etc.
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Thank-you so much, everyone, for your input! I really appreciate it! |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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As for clothing, I'm wondering about the weather and what's good to bring. |
That would depend on which part of Japan you are going to be in in the spring. The climate of Japan varies quite a bit from Hokkaido (where I live) to Okinawa (quite tropical). Whatever you do, bring only 2 seasons worth of clothing and have the rest shipped to you a month before the season begins.
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Would it be better/cheaper to get a laptop there? Or get one here and get it all configured before I go? |
In my opinion, bring your own. Warrantees from computers bought here are only good in Japan, keyboards are slightly different here, and unless you can speak a bit of Japanese, you may have a hard time discussing matters with salesmen here. Sometimes you can get a user manual in English (whether in paper form or downloaded), but not always. And, even though you can get English OS models here, they'll cost you a bit more. Otherwise, you'll have to deal with Japanese menus on everything.
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artistic as in lots of art shows, music, creative people, hilarious fashion (ie: fruits, elegant gothic lolita, etc.), and fun people. Somewhere where there's stuff to do...like going out to nightclubs and whatnot. I don't drink, but I'm totally down for dancing around to some good music. I would really like to attend at least one dancehall show in Japan. |
I'd say that pretty much limits you to the largest four or five cities.
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I would even maybe like to see if I could get a job as a DJ at a club if there's any interested in hiring a gaijin... |
You are not permitted to work outside of the realm of your visa so if you got a visa for teaching, you couldn't do DJ work. Besides, you simply wouldn't have the time.
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what are some of the best ways to learn how to get around?
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Everywhere. Taking transit, cheapest means of transportation, good maps to use, good resources, etc. |
Japan has the best public transportation. Cost pretty much is what you might expect anywhere in the world. Taxis are the most convenient, so they are the most expensive. The bigger the city, the more chance you have of getting maps in English from info centers. |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 1316 Location: Out of Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:04 am Post subject: |
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The Goblin Queen wrote: |
I would even maybe like to see if I could get a job as a DJ at a club if there's any interested in hiring a gaijin...
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That's more like it! don't join the throng of aimless graduates, busted ass losers, or the profoundly unimaginative getting into english teaching just because it was the most convienient thing to do. My suggestion is to make that the main focus of your working holiday visa hunt and maybe do a bit of teaching on the side. Hell if you're good enough you might get a employer to sponser a proper visa. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:50 am Post subject: |
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I would even maybe like to see if I could get a job as a DJ at a club if there's any interested in hiring a gaijin... |
Bar work is forbidden by working holiday visas.
http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/w_holiday/index.html
Working Holiday Visa
The Working Holiday visa is a special visa for young people that has the following features.
Validity of Visa:
Visa recipients must enter Japan within six months (one year for U.K.) after the date of issue.
Period of Stay:
An initial stay of up to six months is granted (one year for U.K. cannot be extended.) This may be extended up to another six months by the immigration authorities. Details are available from the Immigration Bureau.
Limits on Issue:
Working Holiday visas will be issued only to persons who have never obtained one before.
Re-entry Permits:
The Working Holiday visa is a single-entry visa. If the visa holder needs to leave Japan temporarily, it is necessary to obtain a re-entry permit from the immigration authorities before leaving Japan.
Remunerative Activities:
Working Holiday visa holders can engage in any kind of job as long as their stay is deemed to be primarily a holiday in Japan. They may not, however, work in places where business is being regulated by the Law on Control and Improvement of Amusement and Entertainment Business, such as nightclubs and dance halls. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:55 am Post subject: |
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Immigration is now clamping down on foreigners from western countries with valid visas but who 'moonlight' doing second jobs outside their visa status. You either need to change your visa or you risk getting your visa taken away from you. A work visa is not a right, but a privilege and they can be invalidated or annulled at the discretion of immigration as you are essentially breaking the law.
FWIW I have a friend who often used to DJ at clubs in Osaka but I think he has a long-term permanent visa that allows him to do other jobs than teaching. No dice on an instructors visa and many employers will now be wary about hiring someone 'under the table' if their visa is not all clear that permits non-teaching activities. The days of doing what ever takes your fancy are over and you wont be cut any slack because you come from a western country, have a degree and speak English. |
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pnksweater
Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 173 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:44 am Post subject: |
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It sounds like you read a lot of japanophile magazines. You won't see all the goofy "crazy Japan" stuff unless you go looking for it. Most editions of FRUITS are shot within 2 square miles of Tokyo. Really it's more like one corner and a street. Outside of certain areas of Harajuku you don't see much of that stuff. The good time vs cheap cost of living thing is tricky to solve. Basically the further you live from an urban center the cheaper it gets and the less exciting your neighborhood becomes. If you are going to be straped for cash you may have no choice but to live out in the sticks and catch a train into a urban center on the weekends and holidays.
Regarding the DJ thing... my husband works as a DJ. He's on a dependant visa and does this under the table. Some places are keen on hiring foreign DJs, others are not. Just be warned that a lot of club owners a pretty flaky and actually getting a gig can be a major headache at first. Also, language can be a bit of an issue as well (depending on whether or not they speak English. Your Japanese won't be ready to bargin after a few months of classes.) I hope you like house because in Tokyo it's all they want DJs to spin. That and really bad top 20s hits. If you're serious about it consider bringing your collection with you. I think my husband arrived with around 2,000 CDs and hundreds of records. Music is very exspensive here, but the used market is good. There are also some excelent niche vinyl shops as well. |
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Brooks
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1369 Location: Sagamihara
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:10 am Post subject: |
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I would say Kobe is your best bet.
For fashion, Osaka`s and Kobe`s is colorful, but in Tokyo it tends to be brown, black and gray.
Depending on your asthma, you may prefer living in the country, or at least not far away from it.
I met a man who quit his job in Osaka and moved to Yamanashi since his son`s asthma was so bad. He runs a bed and breakfast place in Kiyosato. |
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