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Ingeniero Comercial-translation please???
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matttheboy



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:38 pm    Post subject: Ingeniero Comercial-translation please??? Reply with quote

Hi,

Nothing to do with teaching but i'm translating my girlfriend's CV and i have no idea how to translate her degree or what she calls herself as a graduate.

Her degree is Ingeniero Comercial and she is an Ingeniero Comercial. It obviously translates as Commercial Engineer(ing) but this is not a degree or job title in English. I'm thinking of putting Business Admin or Management Studies but both seem a bit flaky and not worthy of describing a 5 year degree at one of Santiago's best uni's. And what does she call herself? I guess in English we'd say "a graduate in business studies (for example)". Any thoughts?

Many thanks,

Matt
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vivaBarca



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Ingeniero Comercial-translation please??? Reply with quote

Matt -

In the U.S. if you graduate from an undergraduate (4 year) program in business, you graduate with a BBA - Bachelors in Business Administration. The graduate program (2 years) is the MBA program - Master's in Business administration. As far as what a graduate of either program would be called...hmm, that's a good question. Alot of my friends just received their BBA and my brother is one year away from his MBA, but I'd be hard pressed to glean a sufficient title from them, in regards to their degree. Honestly, most of them just refer to themselves as "MBAs" or a "BBAs. " Looking at the resume of an undergraduate business major, you're quite likely to see simply "Bachelor in Business Administration" listed for a title. So, maybe something like Business Administrator or Management Administrator, etc. could be acceptable to any prospective employer of your girlfriend on the basis that it is similar to any title of BBA or MBA-awarded students in the U.S. I hope this doesn't confuse you too much...I tried!
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matttheboy



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha ha, no you didn't confuse me. It's similar in england. I've got a Ba(Hons) in Management Studies and i would say that if someone asked me. Our degrees don't carry job titles either so i guess that's how i'm going to write it on the CV. But i still can't think of a particularly suitable degree title. Ingenerio Comercial seems to be a Chilean thing. Other Spanish speakers understand pretty much what it is but it's not a degree title in Argentina, for example. She didn't do an MA but her degree was a 5 year course (also a Chilean thing) so just putting BA Business Admin seems...well not particularly impressive when you consider the amount of time spent on the degree. If you see what i mean.
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ls650



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:20 am    Post subject: Re: Ingeniero Comercial-translation please??? Reply with quote

matttheboy wrote:
Nothing to do with teaching but i'm translating my girlfriend's CV
Her degree is Ingeniero Comercial and she is an Ingeniero Comercial. It obviously translates as Commercial Engineer(ing) but this is not a degree or job title in English. I'm thinking of putting Business Admin or Management Studies but both seem a bit flaky and not worthy of describing a 5 year degree at one of Santiago's best uni's. And what does she call herself? I guess in English we'd say "a graduate in business studies (for example)". Any thoughts?


Why not simply put the Spanish name of her degree, put the time period after it, and leave it at that?

Ex.) Ingeniero Comercial degree (University of Santiago, 2001-2005).

The CV should also include her experience and work history, so anyone who's that concerned with what her exact degree is will ask for more information.
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hola Matt,
Latin Americans love to bestow titles, whereas in the US or Europe, first degrees in most subjects don't carry a title. Her degree is a business degree, roughly equivalent to the BBA previously mentioned. I agree that the best thing to do is use the Spanish degree name, with information about course length, subject matter, and anything else that makes it clearer.


Regards,
Justin

PS Isn't your girlfriend actually an
ingeniera comercial? I don't meant to pry...
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matttheboy



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Trullinger wrote:

PS Isn't your girlfriend actually an
ingeniera comercial? I don't meant to pry...


LOL, Yeah that's what i thought too but it seems that the job title is the same as the degree title. That's what the lady wrote anyway and it's her language so...exactly what she wrote on MSN is this:

"yo creo q el titulo es ingeniero asi q yo creo q lo mas correcto es decir q soy ingeniero comercial"

Thanks for your help guys,

Matt
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought maybe you were trying to tell us something. LOL But, you do have more experience with chile�as than I do, and I wouldn't cross her on her own language either. Only leads to grief...but most places I've been, that's a title that gets gendered, like Doctora, Licenciada, etc. Still, she would know...

Take care,
Justin
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moonraven



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt:

That degree, I believe, usually carries with it a "mention" in Finance or Business Administration. You might ask your friend what he area of specialty is.
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matttheboy



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonraven wrote:
Matt:

That degree, I believe, usually carries with it a "mention" in Finance or Business Administration. You might ask your friend what he area of specialty is.


Yep, 'mencion Administracion' and 'Especializaci�n en Finanzas' which i translated as a minor in Business Admin and Major in Finance. Couldn't think of another way of doing it.
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