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esl_teacher1973
Joined: 24 May 2005 Posts: 51
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:15 am Post subject: Quality of life between Turkey & Israel |
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I was fortunate enough last year to visit Israel and Egypt, and I wanted to know if the quality of life is the same in Turkey. I have to admit the quality of life in Israel is much better than in North America besides the tension in the surrounding areas. I don't want to confuse anyone with standard of living because obviously it's better in North America but has anyone been to all three places? What's the comparison? |
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ghost
Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 1693 Location: Saudi Arabia
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:52 pm Post subject: Turkey versus Israel |
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Here are some random rankings in Turkey versus Israel, quality of life.
1. People - Turks in general are much more friendly than Israelis. However, much of this friendliness can be superficial. In Israel, when you succeed in making a friend, the loyalty runs much deeper, but it can be hard to attain, especially for 'goyim.'
2. Work - In Israel, the work situation is 'tight' because of thousands of Jews and 'pretend to be Jews' (much of them from Russia and CIS) competing for jobs. And as the streets are literally crawling with engineers and Ph.d's looking for work, as a lowly EFL specialist, your job prospects do not rank highly at all. Forget about teaching English in Israel - everyone there is polyglot and speaks at least 3 languages fluently, including English of course.
3. Cost of living - Turkey wins, as the costs are still in the bargain basement category. Israel, on the other hand, has a lot of first world prices, and higher costs in general.
4. Food - Turkish Cuisine is excellent, and the price very good for what you get. Israel also has excellent food, but the costs are higher - the Israeli Cuisine is Middle Eastern with some kosher touches.
5. Stress - Turkey is much lower on the stress level. Israel is a country where stress is inescapable - a country surrounded by hostile neighbors, and even within Israel itself the population is not homogenous - with large cultural differences between orthodox Jews, modern secular Israelis, Arab Israelis, Immigrants from Ethiopia, Russian Jews and 'false Jews' - and the list goes on. And all these people competing for jobs and living space, can only exacerbate an already volatile situation.
6. Overall - If you want a 'low key' non stress life, then Turkey would be the place to go. If you want stimulation, excitement and living on the edge, then Israel is the place. |
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Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 1797
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Turkey for a non stress life. Bollox. |
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NMB
Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Posts: 84 Location: France
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Ghost is right. Istanbul stress is nothing -- nothing!
Try living in Paris, and you will go screaming out after a week. The only thing that's keeping me here is the extremely low cost of uni (now pursuing a Master's).
It wasn't till I left Istanbul that I really realized how good I had it. |
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ghost
Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 1693 Location: Saudi Arabia
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:33 pm Post subject: Stress is linked to culture |
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Did you live in or have any experience of Istanbul when you were in Turkey, Ghost? |
Ghost has lived in Istanbul, and a lot of other major cities worldwide, including Paris, London, Montreal, Toronto, Rome, Managua (Nicaragua), Salvador Do Bahia (Brazil), and other places, and the stress levels are less in Turkey. Why is that so, you may ask?
1. Stress is less, because the Turks have a culture in which they know when to turn off the pressure when things get hot. This is why in Turkey, people spend a lot of their day (even at work) drinking tea, smoking cigarettes and chatting about all and nothing.
2. Turks are highly sociable people (especially among themselves) and this means that social exchange supercedes work efficiency and results - this being contrary to the North American and Northern European norm.
Go to any Turkish workplace and you will see a lot of people milling around, with quite a few of the people not even affiliated to the workplace in question. Again - social, social, social - tribal...
3. The stress felt by foreigners in Turkey might arise in a couple of scenarios.
A. Foreign teachers who teach in Private K-12's often feel a certain amount of stress, because the students in those places rank among the worst behaved on the planet.....and there is little that can be done to change that situation, because the parents of those brats pay big Lira for the kids to attend those Private schools.
B. Some foreigners feel a certain amount of stress, because of 'reverse culture shock' phenomenon. And this can be induced by fast paced living, or in the case of Turkey - a relatively slow paced life.
If teachers feel stress in Turkey, aside from the K-12 scenario (which is understandable) - then they have forgotten what awaits them in the 'real world' - outside of Turkey - where performance and efficiency are the norm and expectations much higher.
Many of the 'teachers' (most of whom are not real teachers, but native speakers) in Turkey have become soft and are out of touch with reality, in the sense that life in Turkey spoils them, as the expectations on their time and work performance could hardly be called demanding. |
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Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 1797
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Stress is linked to culture |
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Many of the 'teachers' (most of whom are not real teachers, but native speakers) in Turkey have become soft and are out of touch with reality, in the sense that life in Turkey spoils them, as the expectations on their time and work performance could hardly be called demanding.[/quote]
I know what you mean. Look at some of the ET teachers on a Saturday and Sunday morning, those who turn up that is. They roll in smelling of drink, dressed in jogging bottoms and t-shirt, unshaven and play hangman. They keep their jobs because ET won`t pay for better teachers.
We would never get away with that in our own countries. |
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ghost
Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 1693 Location: Saudi Arabia
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:34 pm Post subject: This is not a real profession |
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I know what you mean. Look at some of the ET teachers on a Saturday and Sunday morning, those who turn up that is. They roll in smelling of drink, dressed in jogging bottoms and t-shirt, unshaven and play hangman. They keep their jobs because ET won`t pay for better teachers. |
Shame on the schools for letting that sort of thing happen. At one notorious school in Eskisehir, the DOS was a self confessed criminal who had done time in jail and had been kicked out of Dubai (United Arab Emirates) and had arrest warrants in several jurisdictions. As if this were not enough, the criminal charlatan 'teacher' abused his position, and was responsible for the demise of the vast majority of teachers and students at the Institute in question in 2003/2004. The criminal 'so called DOS' was a raging alcoholic, and was fortunate enough to continue in his position because he was supported by a sad school (female) co-owner who had her eye on 'unattached males' of ill repute. Despite numerous complaints about inappropriate touching in class, and scandalous acts and assaults in the city, the DOS criminal continued in his position for a long time.
The criminal charlatan has also been guilty of slander, libel, and defamation and a full record of his behaviour and infractions are kept for further legal action.
Turkey, should take a leaf out of the book of some other countries like Taiwan, and really check on the background of the incoming 'teachers.'
Criminals, such as the one we know about, would never have been allowed to set foot in Taiwan.
Last edited by ghost on Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:27 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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31
Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 1797
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Where is howmucharefags these days? |
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ghost
Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 1693 Location: Saudi Arabia
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:05 pm Post subject: Hopeful |
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Where is howmucharefags these days? |
Hopefully behind bars somewhere or in a Psychiatric Institution where he can no longer do harm to innocent citizens of Turkey, and teachers who have had the misfortune to come into contact with him in Turkey. The man is a seriously sick individual who needs help. |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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Hopefully behind bars somewhere |
Thats a bit cruel ghost. I like his posts.(fellow rangers supporter) |
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ghost
Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 1693 Location: Saudi Arabia
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:26 pm Post subject: truth be spoken |
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Thats a bit cruel ghost. I like his posts.(fellow rangers supporter |
You would not like him once you get to know him and witness some of the things he has done to unsuspecting female students at the school and ordinary citizens. The man is nothing more than a criminal thug, and should have been banned from Turkey a long time ago. Sooner or later he will pay for his crimes. All criminals eventually have to answer for their heinous acts. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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I thınk we should know more about this alleged criminal. What exactly is he alleged to have done ? |
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