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Akula the shark



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:42 am    Post subject: More evidence of disgraceful Japanese racism Reply with quote

Foreign mothers fight for children's futures
Strict enforcement of ill-conceived clause in Japan's Nationality Law threatens families.

By LAURA FITCH

Rosanna Tapiru's problems really began shortly after her arrival in Japan.

Filipino Rosanna Tapiru is fighting a legal battle to secure the futures of Japan-born daughters Masami (left) and Naomi.

She came here from the Philippines to make and save money, but her dreams of a better life for her family were, she says, "washed away" when her partner, who remained in the Philippines, left her for another woman.

Forced to move on, she sought to rebuild her life -- and hopes for a family -- in Japan.

"Such a simple dream," she exclaims, though turning it into reality has proved to be next to impossible.

Tapiru now has two daughters, 7-year-old Masami Tapiru and Naomi Sato, 3, both of whom were fathered by a Japanese man.


Foreign mothers who have filed a lawsuit challenging Japan's Nationality Law meet in Tokyo to discuss their plan of action.

However, due to a little-known article in the Japanese Nationality Law, while Naomi may claim the rights and privileges of Japanese citizenship and the protection that it affords, Masami cannot.

Article 2 of the Japanese Nationality Law states that a child is entitled to automatic Japanese citizenship if, at the time of birth, it is certain that either the mother or the father is a Japanese national.

The clause is straightforward enough if the mother is Japanese, or if the couple is married.

However, difficulties can and do arise if the couple is not married, and particularly if the mother is not Japanese.

These cases are on the rise as Japan reluctantly begins to open its doors to foreign workers.

In order for the child to obtain Japanese citizenship if the couple is not married, the father must give "ninchi," or recognition, that the child in the mother's womb is his own.

Ninchi may be given after birth and the child registered on the "koseki touhon," or family register, but in such cases, it is almost impossible for the child to obtain citizenship.

Japanese courts have begun to stick to the letter of the law -- in this case stipulating that recognition by a Japanese father must be given before or "at the time of birth."

If ninchi is given after the birth, the court does not recognize that the child had a Japanese father at the time of birth, and therefore rejects the claim for citizenship.

The only way for the child to gain citizenship and a passport is for the parents to marry, which is highly unlikely if they haven't already, or to wait out the lengthy and arbitrary naturalization process, originally intended for adults immigrating to the country.

Even in the case of adoption by a Japanese father, citizenship can still be unattainable.

Tapiru, having learned from the birth of her first daughter, was sure to get the ninchi in time for the birth of her second.

However, she worries about the future of her children. As the primary caregiver of a Japanese citizen, she is permitted to stay in Japan on a permanent residence visa.

However, if something were to happen to her, one child would be cared for by the Japanese welfare system, while the other would have no such claim, and in all likelihood would be deported to a country where she would be unfamiliar with the language, customs and way of life.

"There is no security for them," she says. "It's discrimination and isolation of foreigners."

Tapiru's children currently attend the same school, and "nosy" questions from teachers about the children's parental status "pushed me" to do something, she says.

Tapiru is one of nine Filipino women who stood jointly before a judge in a Japanese courtroom on July 15 to request that the court grant full Japanese citizenship to them and their children.

The court heard four cases, and is scheduled to hear the other five in September.

As the women read their statements in Tagalog, later to be translated into Japanese, they struggled to remain composed.

For all, this case represents the final chance for the future security of their children.

All the children have Japanese fathers, but, due to the Japanese judicial system's strict interpretation of Article 2, do not hold Japanese citizenship or passports.

In addition to the bullying at school that results from the children having katakana and foreign-sounding last names, they must deal with the insecurity of their futures.

As they are not of a legal age to care for themselves, their residence status relies solely on that of their mothers.

"He has a Japanese father, and a Japanese mind," says Olivia Ligon, one of the nine mothers, of her 10 year-old son Rafael.

She says discrimination stemming from his lack of citizenship will hold him back from living a full life in Japan.

He is on the "koseki touhon" (family registry) but doesn't have citizenship or a passport.

"I have lots of friends. My mom works hard. My father is Japanese. He calls me on the phone to tell me to study. What am I?" Julia, Charlette Chieeum's young daughter, asked the court.

"I am Japanese," she answers.

Although the women hope that their strength in numbers will call attention to their cause, they remain realistic.

While they are aware they may lose the battle, they are prepared to take the war all the way to the Supreme Court, a process that Tapiru and Mio Tanaka of the Japanese-Filipino Center, who is assisting the mothers with their case, estimate may take as long as five years.

"This is a landmark case," says Tanaka. "It goes to the heart of Article 2 of the Japanese Nationality Law, one of the basic laws of the land."

Cesar Santoyo of the Center for Japanese-Filipino Families estimates that there are between 60,000 to 80,000 Filipino women coming to Japan each year.

As the stagnating economy and falling birth rate have led to calls for more immigration, handling even the present immigration population is proving difficult for the Japanese government.

Attention desperately needs to be called to immigration and citizenship issues, in particular the implications of Article 2, says Tapiru.

"Most Japanese don't know about this," she says.

"I want to let the Japanese know that they have this strange law."

Tapiru and the other mothers have come in for some criticism from those who believe their case is designed primarily to secure the benefits of citizenship for themselves.

But Tapiru rejects such claims.

"This is not for myself," she says. "This is for the sake of the children."

And the case is exacting a financial as well as mental toll.

To offset the costs, with the help of the Nishi Kawaguchi Filipino Network (KAFIN), the Japan-Filipino Center (JFC), and the Center for Japanese-Filipino Families (CJFF) the women have sough to raise funds through selling raffle tickets, holding talent contests, and other activities designed to raise awareness as well as cash.

The base of all this activity is the KAFIN office in Nishi-Kawaguchi.

Founded in 1998 by Agalyn Salah Nagase, KAFIN acts as a lifeline for Filipino women in Japan providing counseling, language lessons, information on legal matters and sometimes a refuge from abusive spouses.

But "most of our clients come for child recognition issues," says Nagase, who estimates that KAFIN fields at least 7 to 10 phone calls a day from Filipino women throughout Japan.

"If we just stop and observe," says Nagase "nothing will happen."

"But for the solution to Tapiru's problem, all she can do at the moment is wait and hope."

"I want to succeed this time," says Tapiru.

"This is not only my dream. It is a dream for the next generation of children. If we don't win this case, I will be very sad. My dream will wash away again."

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The Japan Times: July 19, 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How is this racism exactly? Convoluted, discriminatory immigration policies are the hallmark of virtually every nation on earth. NZ might be one of the better ones but give it a couple years when the Nationals get back into office and they'll be doing the same sort of shiet.
If you called this sexism I'd be listening, but calling it racism just shows that you have no idea what racism really is, and being a white guy from NZ (I guess) I'm sure you don't.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not racism?
What does who am I and where I am from have to do with this topic?
You obviously have some problems Markle.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi everybody, back for a quick visit with some dear friends (Japanese) and enjoying being here because it`s temporary! Markle - think about the article and all its racist implications. Please. You cannot compare the situation in any way with that of NZ, the UK, the US, Canada, Australia etc.

Markle - you have no idea of what this Filipinna woman is fighting against - as are the other foreign women whose daughters are Japanese because they were born here. These children are Japanese but one daughter has some kind of legal status here because her Japanese father accepts her.

The other daughter would be torn away from her family in the case of a crisis because her Japanese father has not acknowledged her. Her mother fears this and is prepared to make her life very difficult by trying everything she can do to protect her Japanese daughter from being placed in the hands of welfare agencies in the event of some unforeseen problem. What kind of system are we dealing with here? It reminds me of a Charles Dickens` novel - and he wrote in the 19th century about a system that has been completely overturned.

The fact is this problem originates from the fact that the Japanese law, system, society and probably most Japanese people flatly refuse to recognise that these children and others like them ARE Japanese. This leaves these children, all others like them and all foreigners in a very vulnerable position, legally, socially etc. And Markle if you read the article properly you would have seen the comments about kids being bullied because they are seen as foreigners even when they were born in Japan.

Yes, it goes on in western countries but most schools have a zero tolerance policy implemented by the schools and their teachers. In Japan I have personally heard eyewitness accounts of teachers doing zilch to stop bullying of `halfs` even to the point where teachers could call their pupils `Gaijin`, Gaikokujin` etc with no response from anybody in authority. A disgrace pure and simple.

Being born in Japan does not mean you are Japanese and therefore have legal rights commensurate with your birth nationality because `we Japanese are Japanese by blood`. Nationality in Japan is about perceived `bloodlines`. That is why akula is so angry and that is what makes Japan so distasteful to me. It is hypocritical nonsense as well as the Japanese `bloodline` is Mongolian, Chinese, Korean and Islander. It is fascism that has been allowed to survive the defeat of World War 2.

I could no longer live in such a system which is why I upped and left with my Chinese husband. I have travelled to many parts of the world and I still say Japan is the most racist country I have ever experienced. If you`re going to define racism by tensions between different racial groups that is a limited definition. The racism is all-pervasive in Japan, it is deeply rooted in their legal system, their constitution, their culture. They will not change, generally speaking. My Japanese friends have regretfully acknowledged as much.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Akula the shark wrote:
It's not racism?
What does who am I and where I am from have to do with this topic?
You obviously have some problems Markle.


Firstly you editorialized. No where in that article was there a mention of race or racism. You were the one who labelled the situation as such, you gave your opinion. I was responding to that opinion as being ill-informed.
The fact that the protagonists were Japanese and Phillipina was irrelevant. It was a Japanese national and a foreigner involved, the fact of their race was not at issue, it could just as easily been a Japanese national of say Korean descent and an Brazilian of Japanese descent, the situation would have not been different. Had you pointed out that the law had given undue weight to the actions of the man in this instance then I would agree and say that the law in Japan does have some basic sexist flaws, but calling it racism shows that you have a poor grasp of what real racism is and I simply suggested that might have something to do with where you are from.
Yes I do have a problem with people that take a perfect legitimate piece of journalism and twist it to fit their own agenda. I don't know what got you so pist at the Japanese but hell give it a rest.

Which brings me to cafebleu who is so embittered that a few rural Japanese biddies didn't take a shine to her Chinese husband that she has embarked on a crusade to rival Jeanne'd'Arc. Your ability to twist anything into a knife in the back of the Japanese is legendary and your credibility is nil. And don't even try to insult my intelligence by pretending that if this situation had happened with you and your Chinese husband (I'll go out on a limb and assume that he's from the mainland or Taiwan) that the Chinese government would be taking the same position.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good summary of the issues, markle. As the Japanese laws stand, it seems that this case is an instance of Japanese nationalism and xenophobia rather than racism.

However, when certain people have an axe to grind, they'll always vote first for RACISM as an explanation.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always find that the people who protest most about racism are the ones who are without knowing it the most racist. They seem to go on some type of crusade to attempt to cure their own disease.
Thats personally what makes me sick about some members on this board, why do they feel they need to protect a particular group, they must fell that the groups need protecting, or perhapes they feel better than the groups so they need to be the protector.
Some people arrive in Japan and suddenly feel the whole country needs protection. Well wake up Japan has been there a long time and has done a very good job at protecting itself.
As a group of people living in Australain which by the way is a migrants country, I had Korean, Japanese, Chinese, African, Aboraginal, German, Italian, Croatian, Greek, English, and Russian friends. All of us knew exactly who were, what were were and where we came from, there was no need to question this.
I'm not going to allow this political correctness to confuse us as to who we are or how we are to bahave around each other.

Japan as a culture has some views that many consider racist, I have never really considered it racist, perhapes a little prededice.
But at the end of the day it is their business what they do in their country, not for me to be puting my nose in another mans back yard.
As for those few who attack me over the Australian immigration country, I ask you to have a look at the immigration policy of your beloved Japan and then ofcourse change your opinion or atleast keep it to yourself.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

markle wrote:
Akula the shark wrote:
It's not racism?
What does who am I and where I am from have to do with this topic?
You obviously have some problems Markle.


Firstly you editorialized. No where in that article was there a mention of race or racism. You were the one who labelled the situation as such, you gave your opinion. I was responding to that opinion as being ill-informed.
The fact that the protagonists were Japanese and Phillipina was irrelevant. It was a Japanese national and a foreigner involved, the fact of their race was not at issue, it could just as easily been a Japanese national of say Korean descent and an Brazilian of Japanese descent, the situation would have not been different. Had you pointed out that the law had given undue weight to the actions of the man in this instance then I would agree and say that the law in Japan does have some basic sexist flaws, but calling it racism shows that you have a poor grasp of what real racism is and I simply suggested that might have something to do with where you are from.
Yes I do have a problem with people that take a perfect legitimate piece of journalism and twist it to fit their own agenda. I don't know what got you so pist at the Japanese but hell give it a rest.

Which brings me to cafebleu who is so embittered that a few rural Japanese biddies didn't take a shine to her Chinese husband that she has embarked on a crusade to rival Jeanne'd'Arc. Your ability to twist anything into a knife in the back of the Japanese is legendary and your credibility is nil. And don't even try to insult my intelligence by pretending that if this situation had happened with you and your Chinese husband (I'll go out on a limb and assume that he's from the mainland or Taiwan) that the Chinese government would be taking the same position.


Another apologist for Japan. It is also sexist, I agree. But it is also racist.
Markle, apologise for Japan all you want mate, you've already done more than enough of it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

call it what you want, but the bottom line is that it is wrong.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheesh! If you guys are so appalled by the behaviour of the Japanese, why don't you just leave and go somewhere else? Or does venting here on these forums help you stay through the end of your contract like good, obedient little boys?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

malcoml wrote:
I always find that the people who protest most about racism are the ones who are without knowing it the most racist. They seem to go on some type of crusade to attempt to cure their own disease.
Thats personally what makes me sick about some members on this board, why do they feel they need to protect a particular group, they must fell that the groups need protecting, or perhapes they feel better than the groups so they need to be the protector..


Japanese do not need protecting and as a long term resident have experienced racism on a personal and professional level. I just had my son tell me he was embarassed to go out with me becuase I was a "gaijin" (foreigner). This is what this society engenders in people, the differences between japanese and everyone else.

There is plenty of racism to go around, without xenophobic remarks emanating out of Australia. PS I doubt if a person here was racist they would not be living in japan, as they would see themselves as inherently superior to japanese people. I dont think racists are inherently only discriminatory to only one ethnic group but will be discriminatory to all other groups other than their own. that is what racists are. They dont pick and choose their targets.


malcoml wrote:
ISome people arrive in Japan and suddenly feel the whole country needs protection. Well wake up Japan has been there a long time and has done a very good job at protecting itself..


Its a sovereign country, made up of 99% of people from the same ethnic background. they dont need Americans and everybody telling them how they should behave in their own country. The problem now lies in the fact that they want to join international organisations such as the Un Security Council etc and to do that they have to ratify certain UN laws againt discrimination, human trafficking etc. Many of these things are not illegal in japan and there are actually no state laws banning discrimination and enforcement is almost non-existent. If Japan wants to be a modern society it has to have the laws in place that ban discrimination, sexism etc.

Japan can not protect itself becuase it has its own police force called the US military. japan is not allowed to have its own armed forces and pays the US to protect them

malcoml wrote:
IAs a group of people living in Australain which by the way is a migrants country, I had Korean, Japanese, Chinese, African, Aboraginal, German, Italian, Croatian, Greek, English, and Russian friends. All of us knew exactly who were, what were were and where we came from, there was no need to question this..


You also have many Chinese Korean and other ethnic groups that suffer discrimination in Australia. there was an Australian woman of Filipino descent who was deported to Manila becuase they believe she was an illegal immigrant, though she had an Australian passport. Im sure you never see that being a caucasian in Australia.

Have you ever been called a Chink, a Nip, a Jap or a coon in Australia? Do you know what its like to experience discrimination in your own country

malcoml wrote:
IJapan as a culture has some views that many consider racist, I have never really considered it racist, perhapes a little prededice.
But at the end of the day it is their business what they do in their country, not for me to be puting my nose in another mans back yard.
As for those few who attack me over the Australian immigration country, I ask you to have a look at the immigration policy of your beloved Japan and then ofcourse change your opinion or atleast keep it to yourself.


Japan is a racist country at an official government level and it is full of racist laws. I can point to several, including my own where my contract is limited due to my nationality. I get fired every three years becuase I am not japanese and tenured positions for the most part are not open to me. I knwo of people who have japanese spouses and chhildren born in this country but were refused entry to onsen. reporters are routinely shut out of press conferences as they have to belong to a "kisha" which only Japanese reporters can belong to. What are routine freedoms for foreign reporters in foreign countries are denied to reporters here.

The laws in the case of childrens nationality with foreign parents, in the case of child custody and divorce, are stacked against foreign parents. The government has laws which says only Japanese nationals can take public service exams. This is called institutional discrimination and are actually laws passed by the Japanese government.


malcoml wrote:
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But at the end of the day it is their business what they do in their country, not for me to be puting my nose in another mans back yard.
As for those few who attack me over the Australian immigration country, I ask you to have a look at the immigration policy of your beloved Japan and then ofcourse change your opinion or atleast keep it to yourself.


Maybe not, but many of here are not tourists, but many of us here pay taxes, are residents here and have families. I can not even vote on what my taxes are spent on, a basic right in Australia.

You may be interested to know that in the last year Japan granted asylum and refugee status to a grand total of 50 foreigners last year. is that the sign of an international and open country?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok Henry, so where are you living?

I have a Japanese wife. Do I have to leave?
I pay Japanese taxes and pay into the pension system.
Japan is my home, for now.
So I will complain all I want.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent Doglover,

Now the ball is rolling, someone on the groud telling the rest of us troops how it is. For to long have some groups licked the Japanese backside.
I know, I had to put my dad in line after he started doing business with the Japanese and started sucking down Suki and eating with a chop stick. Next thing it would't be safe to let him travel on public transport.
I have seen a lot to do with the general behaviour of the men that many a teacher would not, and it has left a bad taste in my mouth.
Back to the immigration point, many nations complain on Australias immigration policy but take a look at that, 50 people with a economy of that size.
In regards to the phillipines lady deported, yes that was unfortunate but she was origionally fromt he Phillipines, she had at a time been an Australian immigrant. The government is serious considering bringing in a national ID card to attempt to stop this problem.
There was a white girl that also almost ended up deported after she claimed to be a German tourist and was speaking fluent German.

I honestly do thing the average Japanese person promotes racism, as racism generally means a hate for a different group. I don't think they really hate other groups. To be honest besides the immoral business practices and the stange sexual behaviour I found the Japanese to be very polite to your face.
I found that the descrimination was ten fold between different social groups in Japan. We had a translator work for us and we found the business clients would hardly speak to him, because of area he was from and wealth.
We also had a Japanese friend that was dieing from a stomach tumor, as the Japanese men were friends we expected hime to be operated on by his friend a rich doctor in Japan. His friend refused to take the phone calls, I never understood this. Yet the friend still had the hide to send his wife a Christmas card after the death of her husband.
Also during cyclone Joy in Cairns it was expected that many people would die and the hospital would face huge shortages of doctors. This doctor was visiting us for business in Cairns and we explained that he may have to help at the hospital, his response was that he did not think that many people in Cairns could afford his service.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

malcoml wrote:
Excellent Doglover,
I know, I had to put my dad in line after he started doing business with the Japanese and started sucking down Suki and eating with a chop stick. Next thing it would't be safe to let him travel on public transport..


Japanese food is very popular in Australia. Just because you dont like japanese it doesnt mean no one else can. Pretty hard to eat the stuff with a knife and fork anyway.......


malcoml wrote:
E
I have seen a lot to do with the general behaviour of the men that many a teacher would not, and it has left a bad taste in my mouth..


Thats becuase they are not in Japan any more and as such dont feel bound by japans social rules and etiquette. thats why japanese seem so boorish and inconsiderate when living overseas. they are the same in public in Japan as well. Teachers dont just live at school. teachers have social lives, go to the gym, see a movie. Play baseball. All that kind of non-teaching living in Japan stuff.

Not all are like that. But consider you have 120 million people live on an island the size of New Zealand. Australia seems wide by comparison.


malcoml wrote:
ExIn regards to the phillipines lady deported, yes that was unfortunate but she was origionally fromt he Phillipines, she had at a time been an Australian immigrant. The government is serious considering bringing in a national ID card to attempt to stop this problem.
There was a white girl that also almost ended up deported after she claimed to be a German tourist and was speaking fluent German.
.


yes it was, she was Australian and kicked out of her own country it doesnt matter where she came from. Your ancestors came from England and Ireland as convicts. It would be as if immigration suddenly said you couldnt come back in and sent you back to the UK, even though you were born in Aussie. Once you have citizenship they have just as many rights as you do.

malcoml wrote:
EI honestly do thing the average Japanese person promotes racism, as racism generally means a hate for a different group. I don't think they really hate other groups. To be honest besides the immoral business practices and the stange sexual behaviour I found the Japanese to be very polite to your face..


Its not japanese individuals who are generally racist, discriminatory maybe, but most racism that happens occurs at an official government level. gaijin cards. term limits for university teachers. Government websites for snitching on foreigners. No voting rights for permanent residents.

Japanese individuals dont promote racism. they can be a bit insular and tunnel-visioned. it doesnt make them racist. You get people who are like the Tokyo Governor, you have right wing fascists who support the Emperor.



I have experienced little personal racism on an individuall level after over a decade in japan. Most has been from employers and the occasional bigotry. White people on the whole seem to experience a "positive discrimination though e.g they can get teaching jobs here because they are white. Foriegners are hired to do Japanese weddings becuase of their race etc.

malcoml wrote:
ExI found that the descrimination was ten fold between different social groups in Japan. We had a translator work for us and we found the business clients would hardly speak to him, because of area he was from and wealth. .


What do you mean social groups? was this based on economic wealth? what school he went to? Korean-Japanese are discriminated against here, as are Chinese. Do you mean ethnic groups? Maybe he came from Okinawa or Kyushu and spoke with a thick regional accent and they thought he was a country 'hick'.

malcoml wrote:


We also had a Japanese friend that was dieing from a stomach tumor, as the Japanese men were friends we expected hime to be operated on by his friend a rich doctor in Japan. His friend refused to take the phone calls, I never understood this. Yet the friend still had the hide to send his wife a Christmas card after the death of her husband.


And why would the doctor operate on him? Was he a stomach surgeon? Does he do those operations?

In Japan patients are not told they have cancer by their doctors and its probably out of concern for your friends relatives that he didnt want to have to tell his friend about his diagnosis and treatment, though they will usually tell the family if a relative has cancer. Its hard for non-Japanese to understand but there is no such thing as a patients right to know here. Would you want to be the one to tell a friend he has 6 months to live?

I dont know the full story but doctors are treated like gods here and dont work for free or 'do favors' generally for friends.



malcoml wrote:
Also during cyclone Joy in Cairns it was expected that many people would die and the hospital would face huge shortages of doctors. This doctor was visiting us for business in Cairns and we explained that he may have to help at the hospital, his response was that he did not think that many people in Cairns could afford his service.


Again soto to uchi, inside and outside. Japanese will not generally get involved outside their own social and professional circles and its often hard to get in on the inner circles of different social groups. I have lots or acquaintances and 'friends' but no real 'bosom buddies' that I can call on in a pinch. I dont even know my neighbors names and the names of their kids.


. Yes its bad and thats why japanese are insular and why they often seem distant and stand offish. Its a cultural trait. You are expecting them to think and behave like an Australian, which they aren't.

Is a japanese doctor licenced to practice on patients in Australia? What about the language barrier?


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Japanese food is very popular in Australia. Just because you dont like japanese it doesnt mean no one else can. Pretty hard to eat the stuff with a knife and fork anyway


I eat it with my hands.

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What do you mean social groups? was this based on economic wealth? what school he went to? Korean-Japanese are discriminated against here, as are Chinese. Do you mean ethnic groups?


It was based on economic wealth and living location.

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And why would the doctor operate on him? was he a stomach surgeon? Does he do those operations?

In Japan patients are not told they have cancer by their doctors and its probably out of concern for your friends relatives that he didt want to have to tell his friend about his diagnosis and treatment, though they will usually tell the family. Its hard for non-Japanese to understand but there is no such thing as a patients right to know here.

I dont know the full story but doctors are treated like gods here and dont work for free or 'do favors' generally for friends.


This guy owned two hospitals, there was really no excuses.



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Again soto to uchi, inside and outside. Japanese will not generally get involved outside their own social and professional circles. Yes its bad and thats why japanese are insular and why they often seem distant and stand offish. Its a cultural trait. You are expecting them to think and behave like an Australian, which they aren't.

Is a japanese doctor licenced to practice on patients in Australia? What about the language barrier?


Licensed or not, it does not matter, someone coould atleast offer. Like the Australian medical student who stayed in Indonesia after the tsunami to help the injured. We all know the saying, it is the thought that counts, well there was no thought.
Spoke perfect English, anyway there is huge Japanese population in Cairns.
Woe you have done ten years there, your a much stronger man than me.
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