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Aphrodite#5
Joined: 13 Jun 2005
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 Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:54 pm Post subject: Medicak Exams? |
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| What is this about having to get a medical exam upon entry into the country? What exactly does this entail? |
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tw
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Medicak Exams? |
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| Aphrodite#5 wrote: |
| What is this about having to get a medical exam upon entry into the country? What exactly does this entail? |
See the threads www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=27119
www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=4192&start=60 and
www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=25371
All FT's must pass the medical exam in order to get work permit and residence permit. The regulations changed as of this year so foreigners wishing to work in China are supposed to get their medical exam done BEFORE going to China (more and more employers are demanding that). You need to submit a clean bill of health (preferably on the official Physical Examination Record For Foreigner form) before the school would even send in your application form for the documents needed to get your Z visa and your work permit.
The two main tests are blood test (for HIV) and chest X-ray (for TB).
PM me with your e-mail address and I'll e-mail you a copy of the form. |
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Don McChesney
Joined: 25 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:13 am Post subject: |
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Note tw's word "supposed".
I arrived on 1st June , from Australia to Zhengzhou, Henan.
I got my Z visa only 6 days before I flew out, and NOWHERE on the documentation was any mention of needing to have a medial exam before I came and I did not have one.
On arrival, I was required to undergo a medical before any other documentation was done. This was at the Zhengzhou Quarantine Hospital and includes ECG, bloods for HIV, chest X ray, ultrasound of abdomen, height and weight, and simple eyesight test. Cost was 230 RMB.
I can only say that the rules seem to vary, according to (a) where you come from, (b) where you are going to work, and (c) how well the FAO knows someone.
I have written this information in other sites, as being factual and correct.
My FAO tells me that usually they don't trust overseas medical reports and need to have their own documentation of examinations done in China. |
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Volodiya
Joined: 03 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:39 am Post subject: |
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tw wrote:
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| The regulations changed as of this year so foreigners wishing to work in China are supposed to get their medical exam done BEFORE going to China (more and more employers are demanding that). |
There are two ideas contained here, 1) that regulations have changed, and 2) that more employers are requiring a "pre-qualifying" medical exam.
As to point one, tw, have you got a reference on this? I haven't seen real evidence of a change in the regulations, and there has been only one post to this forum, that I'm aware of, that even raised the issue, and that was from a recruiter, commenting about problems he was having in one case, in Henan Province.
As to point two, a prudent employer might very well ask for a pre-qualifying med exam, before applying for the "Official Invitation Notice for Chinese Visa Application", and the "Foreign Expert Affairs Invitation Confirmation"- two documents an FT must have in order to apply for a Z visa, abroad- on behalf of a prospective employee. By doing so, the employer has taken a small step to protect his investment of time, and money, in that prospective employee. (Last thing he needs is to get the teacher over here, only to find the FT has a disqualifying medical condition for work, in China.)
To the readers: For a look at the stages at which a med exam may/may not be required or requested, see-
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?p=268311&highlight=#268311 |
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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:49 am Post subject: |
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| Volodiya wrote: |
| As to point one, tw, have you got a reference on this? I haven't seen real evidence of a change in the regulations, and there has been only one post to this forum, that I'm aware of, that even raised the issue, and that was from a recruiter, commenting about problems he was having in one case, in Henan Province. |
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| www.caiep.org/faq/content.php?id=10609 |
It's all in Chinese, and it covers issues on medical exams and criminal checks.
As I said in www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=25371
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| However, I should also point out that I was also told, and I quote the man as saying that schools/regions/cities/districts may do things their own way as rules and guidelines are NOT laws and thus are not rigidly enforced nor followed. |
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Volodiya
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the reference, tw, I'll have someone who can read Chinese take a look at it for me. |
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tw
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| Volodiya wrote: |
| Thanks for the reference, tw, I'll have someone who can read Chinese take a look at it for me. |
On medical exam:
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四）经中国驻外使、领馆认证的外国卫生医疗机构或中国政府指定的卫生检疫部门出具的健康证明书
说明：根据情况可采取以下方式之一：
1、提供中国驻外使、领馆认证的外国卫生医疗机构出具的健康证明书；
2、提供中国政府指定的卫生检疫部门出具的《外国人体格检查记录》；
3、特殊情况下，申请人不能在境外进行体检的，可由聘请单位写出情况说明，并承诺为专家健康负责，保证在办理《外国专家证》时，补交有效健康证明书。
4、根据情况，对连续在我境内工作短期回国再次入境的专家，可放宽健康证明的有效期。 |
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Volodiya
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:32 am Post subject: |
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Hi, tw, thanks for moving this along. Is there some part of this quoted section that you think is something new. What part of this makes you think the foreign expert must have an exam before coming to China?
The translation that was just handed to me seems to state requirements that have been in place since I came here, for living and working in China, long-term. |
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tw
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:10 am Post subject: |
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| Volodiya wrote: |
| What part of this makes you think the foreign expert must have an exam before coming to China? |
I hope my translation will suffice.
1. The FE is to provide a health certificate (medical exam record) completed at a local hospital that is recognized by the Chinese Embassy/Consulate.
2. The FE is to have his/her medical exam conducted at a state-specified hospital. (an alternative)
3. If the FE can not have a medical exam completed abroad, then the FEC applicant (the employer) can provide a written explanation and promise that it will hold responsibility for the FE's health, and that during the FEC's application process, the employer will submit a valid medical exam record.
4. In such unique cases where the FE continously works for short terms before returning to his/her home country, then coming back to China again, the FE's medical exam record may be valid for a an extended period of time.
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Babala
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:43 am Post subject: |
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From what I understand, depending on which embassy/consulate you go to may determine if you need a medical before obtaining your visa. I'm Canadian and I got my visa through the Toronto Chinese Consulate and they did not require a medical. Another teacher from my school went through one of the consulates in the west (either Calgary or Vancouver) and she was required to get a medical before they would issue her a visa.
To the OP,
The Chinese government will require you to have another medical in China. They won't accept documentation from your own country, even if you have it translated into Chinese. |
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tw
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| Babala wrote: |
| From what I understand, depending on which embassy/consulate you go to may determine if you need a medical before obtaining your visa. I'm Canadian and I got my visa through the Toronto Chinese Consulate and they did not require a medical. Another teacher from my school went through one of the consulates in the west (either Calgary or Vancouver) and she was required to get a medical before they would issue her a visa. |
Prior to 2005, FT's could get their medical exam done in China. Those getting it done in Canada, USA, etc often found themselves having to go through it again. That is why you didn't need to get it done when you came to China last year (?) and that may also explain why the other teacher needed one. He/she probably came this year, right?
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To the OP,
The Chinese government will require you to have another medical in China. They won't accept documentation from your own country, even if you have it translated into Chinese. |
I believe this was applicable when FT's didn't need to get their medical exam done abroad before going to China. |
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Babala
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:15 am Post subject: |
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tw,
Do you have any solid info to back up that statement that if a FT has a medical done in Canada that they won't need one in China? To be fair, my knowlegde is a fairly old as I have been here for 3 1/2 years now but when I first had me medical done in China, there were 5 FT's who had gotten medicals in their own countries and had the documents translated into Chinese and they were still required to get tested again. They seemed VERY strict about not accepting other countries results. Again, I admit this was a while ago. Do anyone have any recent info? |
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tw
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| Babala wrote: |
| Do you have any solid info to back up that statement that if a FT has a medical done in Canada that they won't need one in China? They seemed VERY strict about not accepting other countries results. Again, I admit this was a while ago. |
I don't have solid info per se since all these new regulations are in Chinese, so it's very hard for me to find them. However, it would make sense if you were to think that those FT's who had a medical exam done abroad without actually being told would of course have to do it all over again in China. A clean bill of health has always been needed in order for the FT to get his/her FEC and FRP. Now, as it would appear that employers need to get the FT's FEC before the FT goes to China, it makes sense to think that the medical exam completed abroad is as good as one done in China, as the one completed abroad is used for the employer to get the FT's FEC.
Of course, if the employer doesn't ask the FT to complete a medical exam abroad and the FT does so voluntarily, then I am 100% certain that upon arrival in China, the FT would have to complete another one.
You can call this pure speculation. I prefer calling it logical deduction.  |
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Volodiya
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, tw, for offering up your own translation. What part of this do you think is new, and what has led you to believe it's new?
tw wrote:
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| ...as it would appear that employers need to get the FT's FEC before the FT goes to China.... |
This is the second time I've seen you make this assertion on these forums. What reference can you give us for this? |
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tw
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| Volodiya wrote: |
| What part of this do you think is new, and what has led you to believe it's new? |
#1 is new. Well, new as compared to how it'd been for years as far as medical exams are concerned. Back then we could all get our medical exam done in China. Now, according to #1, we need to get it done abroad as part of the FEC application process.
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| ...as it would appear that employers need to get the FT's FEC before the FT goes to China.... |
This is the second time I've seen you make this assertion on these forums. What reference can you give us for this? |
Nothing to show you, I'm afraid. Just from what the university in Dalian said when the FAO told me that in order to get my work permit (FEC), I needed to submit a medical exam. I even filled out the FEC application form (which was supposed to be completed by the employer). |
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