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deezy · Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:50 am Post subject: New Rules over Experts Certs?

I have been told that just yesterday Beijing have moved the goalposts, and I'm trying to clarify this as I have three new teachers coming over shortly. We have been told that from now on the PSB cannot issue Experts Certificates until the foreign teacher has been here for from 3-6 months. This is odd because I was under the impression that you had to have the Experts Certificate to work. Also, that the teacher can and probably will have to come in on a visitors visa and then for the fee of 400 yuan this can be changed to a Z. Our school have always had teachers arrive on a Z and I feel real twitchy about this.
I personally think that the Jinan department in charge of this has it's knickers in a twist, but I am assured that this is the latest ruling as of yesterday.
We have been in touch with Beijing and they will look into it and come back to us later today with a definitive answer.
Has anyone else heard this, and if so, can you write and set out the details please?

Volodiya · Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:55 am Post subject:

With you being responsible for running a school and hiring teachers, this kind of thing must really "jangle" your nerves. It would be an exceptionally interesting development if it proves to be more than just an aberration, not destined to last. It would represent a kind of "backtracking" on the tightening of procedures we've witnesses over the past eight months, or so, and a return to the former practices- teachers getting hired on just about any visa, with documentation (FEC and RPF) to follow, in country.

Please keep us updated.

latefordinner · Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Posts: 973

Have to agree Volodiya, this looks odd. Deezy, what is the source of the new information (or disinformation, if that turns out to be the case)? In any case, lots of luck Deezy.

deezy · Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:17 am Post subject:

Hiya
The source is the Jinan department which handles our Expert Certificates. We normally get an Expert Certificate before the teacher arrives, and just last week we got one for a new teacher in Yantai. Now THIS week they are telling us it's a different story.
We are still waiting to hear from Beijing and I'll update you (unless anyone can update me first!). I am sure that there must be some wires crossed here! Just a few weeks ago we had troubles changing an L to a Z! Gee, all this, yes, does wear me down somewhat! Recruiting the teachers is tough enough, and then all this 'moving of the goalposts'!!
Hey ho.... think I'll have a baijui and coke!

Volodiya · Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:05 am Post subject:

Deezy wrote:

tw · Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 3898

deezy · Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:56 pm Post subject:

Yes, BEFORE the teacher arrives we have a RED book, the Experts Certificate, in our hands. They then get the Residents Permit, stuck into their passport (now), once they've arrived. They also have a medical here once they've arrived.

We are also now being asked by the PSB to translate the resume into Chinese as they want a copy of that, too.

tw · Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 3898

Spiderman Too · Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:28 am Post subject:

Just on 2 years ago, my first job in China was a single term gig. The language school got me a Foreigners Residence Permit but not a Foreign Experts Certificate. The language school told me that I had to work in China for 6 months before qualifying for a F.E.C.

At the time, I thought the language school was feeding me B/S (many other things they told me were lies); maybe not?

Volodiya · Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:46 am Post subject:

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tw · Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 3898

Volodiya · Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:48 am Post subject:

tw, the poster spoke of a Resident Permit, not an RPF. He's talking about a period of time well before the advent of the current, RPF.

tw · Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 3898

Volodiya · Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:57 am Post subject:

tw wrote:

deezy · Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:03 am Post subject:

Hi
I'm informing you of what I know as the information comes to me. So here it is as of NOW:

We send a Chinese/English contract (issued by the FAO, and badly spelt), plus the official stamped document to the teacher overseas.

They get a 6 month F visa.

When they get here, they get a residents perment immediately.

During the 3-6 month period, they get their Experts Cert.. They have a 12 month contract with our school.

It costs 400 yuan to change the F to the correct status.

This is for Shandong, but we are told this will become national. The department dealing with these matters is changing and this is part of the changeover.

If I hear anything else (or you do!) PLEASE let me know! Up to now, we've always brought people in on Z visa's, the school has been qualified to do so for a long time. It is VERY IMPORTANT that we get this right as we have two teachers due to arrive in 2 weeks time!!

cheers
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