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[gsbcn08080]

Will Europeans be allowed to work in Hungary after May when they join the Eu? Or will there be a transition period before this happens? Any info will be appreciated. Thanks.

[Mike_2003]

It depends on each individual country involved. The UK (the last time I heard) plans to allow Hungarians to work in the UK immediately after the 1st of May, so Hungary will extend the same privilege to UK citizens in return.

[BloodyIrish]

ditto irish teachers...

[OzBurn]

When I was there last year (I left in June), there were few problems with Europeans or Americans working in Hungary. The government keeps threatening to crack down on illegal employment, but I doubt that much will happen in the next few years. The European game, whereby Americans, Aussies, Kiwis, etc. are kept out of France, Germany, etc. in a big wet Euro-kiss of thanks for their help in defeating fascism and communism, is of relatively little interest at present to the accession countries as most of them do not yet have privileged access to the Western European labor market. When that actually happens, and as the bureaucrats in Brussels impose their nanny state across all of Europe, there will be a crackdown and eventually it will become quite difficult.

I think that most of the schools just hire illegally. You make visa runs to Slovakia or Austria to renew your visa very three months. Even if you forget, it will probably not be a major problem. I left the country with an expired visa, having forgotten to do my last visa run, and the border guard at the airport gave me a brief hard time. However, I told him that they must have forgotten to stamp me when I came in (which did actually happen the first time I entered the country), and he let me go with a mere shrug. The general inertia of Hungary saved me...one of the nice things about living there...or should I say leaving there?

[BloodyIrish]

well, while were complining about visa regulations (big wet Euro-kiss) i think australians and americans are the last nations who can complain...ever tried getting a work permit for america?

the visa runs are being cracked down on, my american friends tell me. but really, obtaining a visa is NOT that hard. the country is in dire need of native english speakers, and while theres a lot of red tape, its all quite doable, mostly communist stuff to ensure everyone has a job, however pointless. none of my american friends are here illegally and had very little trouble getting visas (by and large...). i dunno what the process involves, but its mainly just a matter of contacting the hungarian embassy in the US and asking what they need.

[stillnosheep]

OzBurn: Americans, Aussies, Kiwis, etc. are kept out of France, Germany, etc because they're not European. In the same way that Europeans are kept out of America, Aussieland, Kiwiland, etc because they're not Americans, Aussies, Kiwis, etc.

There. Not so difficult to understand now is it.

sns

[OzBurn]

Until World War I, the passport really did not exist. You went where you wanted, and worked where you wanted, if you could find work. Borders were relatively porous and open.

"Europe," is a relatively recent invention in political terms. The notion of oneself as a political "European" would have been very strange to a Spaniard, Irishman, German, Italian, or Swede of a generation or two ago. To ignoramuses, however, national borders and their attendant bureaucracy are all so obvious, so necessary, that they are shocked when anyone tries to change it, or even question it.

It's hard for them to understand, isn't it? But all so easy when it's time for another orgy of Euro-bloodletting and let's call on the New World to save us, as for instance most recently in the former Yugoslavia, when it was time to run off to the Americans to save Bosnians and Kosovars while the hapless EUROPEANS stood by and watched them shovel the latest victim of Euro-genocide into mass graves. Not many protests about American bombing back then, were there? Not even the usual clucking of the Euro-left. No, back then it was welcome to Europe, America, because we don't need any more Euro-peacekeepers to stand by and watch the children get beaten to death with shovels.

[OzBurn]

Of course, it is quite right that America has a ridiculous and offensive visa policy that is highly exclusionary.

However, I am not a nation. I'm a person. And I see no reason to keep my mouth shut as I wait for the American government to improve, something that is extremely unlikely to happen. I criticize the American government in other forums.

It's also true that Europe has in the past century done basically nothing for America, while the American contribution to western Europe's well being is obvious and enduring and expensive (in blood, in treasure), although few Europeans under fifty will admit it anymore. And the eastern Europeans generally appreciate America's stand against communism, which is why for a long time Americans were quite welcome there, something that the Euro-octopus in Brussels is trying to put a stop to ASAP.

[stillnosheep]

[stillnosheep]

[OzBurn]

You wrote:

>Oh save us New World! Save us please! You look so　macho with your tanks and your guns and your planes and your bombs. And we do so love being 'saved' by you!

Yes, that's exactly what so many craven Euro-doves and Euro-lefties do love. Which is why they insist that the US must do it for them every 30 or 40 years. Or what else do you call Euro-policy (was it a policy, or was it just impotent hand-wringing?) in the former Yugoslavia? Not to mention WWI and WWII and decades of the Cold War. Yes, when it was Soviet tanks on the borders of Western Europe, then there was plenty of room for the Americans. This is all so embarrassing now, isn't it? Bet you wish it had never happened.

>First the US Govt stays out of WWII for years whilst Czechoslavakia, Poland, Belgium, Holland, France, etc etc were overrun, the UK was isolated and bled dry and the USSR starved and bled itself half to death taking on the might of the German Army

Please note that it wasn't "World War II" at that point. It was a EUROPEAN war, and the reason that those countries were overrun was because they had failed for years to make any preparations against the rising of the Third Reich and the Soviet Union, failed to make any alliance with each other (or rather, failed to make any alliance that was worth more than the paper it was written on), and because when there was still a chance to do something, Chamberlain came back from Germany with a piece of paper in his hand declaring "peace in our time." In England, in fact, many youth had signed a pledge not to fight for England. How's that for putting the fear of retribution in fascists and communists? Also, the socio-economic basis for the war can reasonably be seen in the crippling reparations that the victors in World War I imposed on Germany against the strong wishes of the United States.

Describing the US role in WWII as "sitting tight in the UK" is so grotesquely untrue, and so obviously inspired solely by bilious hatred of the US, that it is not worth responding to. It is despicable. You should be ashamed of yourself.

>Meanwhile the Russian People die in their millions whilst waiting for the western powers to reopen the Western Front.

It wasn't the "Russian People" back then. For the record, it was the Soviet people, and the enemy they were fighting was their former ally, Hitler's Germany, with whom the Soviets had carved up various conquests in Central Europe. Their leader, Josef Stalin, was one of the biggest butchers in human history, and after they had prevailed, they imposed communism on Central Europe for decades. Go over there and see what those people think of the Soviets in World War II.

That's today's history lesson.

[stillnosheep]

[BloodyIrish]

i heard there was a teaching forum somewhere near here? oh, sorry, this is an amateur history forum, im sorry...

[stillnosheep]

[BloodyIrish]

yeah, but this is still a jobs forum...

how can one be from cork AND limerick. up the black and amber!