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NickH



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:19 am    Post subject: Uncertain and Frustrated Reply with quote

Hey all,
Well, I have been searching for jobs for maybe a week or a week and a half now, submitting my CV to various job ads. My aim was to get a job in Shanghai for the fall semester, but I think I'm now open to other locations as well.

It seems like all the replies back I have gotten back so far are either a) Really sketchy and dubious ,or b), offer jobs in some place I've never heard of (Jiangyin city? Yuncheng city?).

It's August 7, I don't yet have any flights yet, I'd like to come in on a work visa so I don't have to change it from a tourist visa once I'm already there, but either way, I still don't have any kind of visa so far. I suppose I am just kind of stressing out about all this stuff after I have made this big decision to take some time off from school and embark on this grand adventure which everyone I know personally thinks is amazing and/or crazy/bizarre. Please, I could really use some advice or help.

Sincerely,
Nick Herman
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tw



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick,

I understand your frustration. However, I don't think a week and half is long enough for you to get stressed out. Some of us spent MONTHS trying to land a job, plus another month's wait before being told that the documents needed to get the Z visa is in the mail. Now is a very good time to test your patience. If this is getting to you already, then imagine how you'll be in China when things don't go your way and not as speedy as you want them to be. If you are too impatient, then you may end up getting the first job that you feel is "good enough", only to regret it later down the road.

For what it's worth, yes, you should definitely consider other cities as well. Don't just focus on Shanghai. After all, Shanghai is one of the hardest cities to find LEGAL teaching jobs now thanks to its huge population of expats. Likewise, it is also becoming harder and harder to find teaching jobs in Beijing, Dalian, and Qingdao. Basically, I would avoid any coastal city that doesn't snow in winter. If you want to experience China, then take a chance and try somewhere you've never heard of. As long as you are willing, I am very sure someone here can probably help you. I would put you in touch with my employer, but unfortunately they have all the FT's they need for the next term.

Don't rush it, it's better to be safe than sorry. If you have to wait for another month before leaving for China, so be it. China and its people will still be there in September, and you won't be the only person leaving in September to go to China to teach. I can promise you that you will still be seeing job ads from public schools in October for September. So maybe you should have thought about this earlier, but hey, the same can be said about the employers who have finally started looking for FT's now. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take a deep breath, hold it, then slowly let it out. Cut down on the coffee. Go for a long aimless walk in the park. Whatever it takes, relax. Looking for a job is a bit like fishing; sometimes everything is biting all at once, sometimes there's nothing. Even more so with China, where employers always have their own crazy internal clocks. Who can figure their sense of time? Who can figure the fates? (What's the difference between a boss and fate? Sometimes fate has a reason)
For my first job, I sent off my resume on a Saturday afternoon (Canada time), and Sunday evening came home to find a message on my answering machine, "It's 8 o'clock, I'll call back in about an hour". Hmm, figure the time difference, look at the clock, and... an hour later I was being asked how soon I could get on the plane. Relax, cause when it does come, you'll be expected to be fresh funky and ready to impress.
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NickH



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tw wrote:
Nick,

I understand your frustration. However, I don't think a week and half is long enough for you to get stressed out. Some of us spent MONTHS trying to land a job, plus another month's wait before being told that the documents needed to get the Z visa is in the mail. Now is a very good time to test your patience. If this is getting to you already, then imagine how you'll be in China when things don't go your way and not as speedy as you want them to be. If you are too impatient, then you may end up getting the first job that you feel is "good enough", only to regret it later down the road.

For what it's worth, yes, you should definitely consider other cities as well. Don't just focus on Shanghai. After all, Shanghai is one of the hardest cities to find LEGAL teaching jobs now thanks to its huge population of expats. Likewise, it is also becoming harder and harder to find teaching jobs in Beijing, Dalian, and Qingdao. Basically, I would avoid any coastal city that doesn't snow in winter. If you want to experience China, then take a chance and try somewhere you've never heard of. As long as you are willing, I am very sure someone here can probably help you. I would put you in touch with my employer, but unfortunately they have all the FT's they need for the next term.

Don't rush it, it's better to be safe than sorry. If you have to wait for another month before leaving for China, so be it. China and its people will still be there in September, and you won't be the only person leaving in September to go to China to teach. I can promise you that you will still be seeing job ads from public schools in October for September. So maybe you should have thought about this earlier, but hey, the same can be said about the employers who have finally started looking for FT's now. Wink


Thanks for the excellent reply and putting things in perspective. I guess that in my mind I had this big chain of events line up that if I don't get a job soon THEN I will not be able to get one at all because the semester starts at the beginning of September, AND if I don't make my flight now then it will be insanely expensive if I have to make it at the last minute--but wait, I don't even know exactly when I'm leaving, so what am I supposed to do about that?

Coastal city that doesn't snow in the winter..hah..that was exactly what I was originally going for. I suppose my only requirements are 1) Not deathly cold, 2) Not insanely polluted (like I hear Beijing and Xian are), 3) A backwater podunk town. That's doable, isn't it?

Thanks, though. You're right. I've been impatient. I just need to keep at it and keep living life.
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NickH



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

latefordinner wrote:
Take a deep breath, hold it, then slowly let it out. Cut down on the coffee. Go for a long aimless walk in the park. Whatever it takes, relax. Looking for a job is a bit like fishing; sometimes everything is biting all at once, sometimes there's nothing. Even more so with China, where employers always have their own crazy internal clocks. Who can figure their sense of time? Who can figure the fates? (What's the difference between a boss and fate? Sometimes fate has a reason)
For my first job, I sent off my resume on a Saturday afternoon (Canada time), and Sunday evening came home to find a message on my answering machine, "It's 8 o'clock, I'll call back in about an hour". Hmm, figure the time difference, look at the clock, and... an hour later I was being asked how soon I could get on the plane. Relax, cause when it does come, you'll be expected to be fresh funky and ready to impress.


Thanks for the excellent advice. I just need to chill out, you're right.
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tw



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NickH wrote:
Coastal city that doesn't snow in the winter..hah..that was exactly what I was originally going for. I suppose my only requirements are 1) Not deathly cold, 2) Not insanely polluted (like I hear Beijing and Xian are), 3) A backwater podunk town. That's doable, isn't it?


Well, if both of my former co-workers survived winter in Dalian, then I am very sure you can too -- even if you are from southern USA. One was from southern Australia and the other was from Wales. The Welsh guy even had a short holiday in Harbin -- in the dead of winter (-30-something Celsius)
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NickH



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tw wrote:
NickH wrote:
Coastal city that doesn't snow in the winter..hah..that was exactly what I was originally going for. I suppose my only requirements are 1) Not deathly cold, 2) Not insanely polluted (like I hear Beijing and Xian are), 3) A backwater podunk town. That's doable, isn't it?


Well, if both of my former co-workers survived winter in Dalian, then I am very sure you can too -- even if you are from southern USA. One was from southern Australia and the other was from Wales. The Welsh guy even had a short holiday in Harbin -- in the dead of winter (-30-something Celsius)


Oh god! (-30) Haha, I AM from southern USA, southern CA, as it happens to be. Anyhow, you're right enough. I read your review. Sounded ok except for the part about being very far away from everything and curfew etc...how easy is it to get to some nice nature places/temples/something serene?
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Roger



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First thing:
The jobs are NOT aplenty - contrary to what some incorrigible optimists proclaim. There are posts available, but why should the hirers hire just anyone? They do run background checks, and besides, do you have relevant credentials to apply for a job here?

Second:
It is now mid-August, time for the kids to recuperate from their last semester or torture. Even their tormentors are on (paid) holiday and won't scan new job applications before the end of the month!

Or are you hoping to land a job in a language mill? Well then, there are thousands of itinerant jobseekedrs in China... the other day a training centre Personnel Manager told me he got 300-plus applicatiolns for a single position.
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alani



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Nick,

If your interested in working in Guangxi Province, theres a job in my school. My partner and I are leaving, for personal reasons back home, and are helping find teachers to replace us.

Anyway, my email is [email protected]

Good luck!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NickH wrote:
I read your review. Sounded ok except for the part about being very far away from everything and curfew etc...


Well that was written almost a year ago and things have changed since. For starters there is a free shuttle bus that takes people from right infront of the school to a new Carrefour store. There are other shuttle buses that go to other stores but I just didn't bother shopping there.

Quote:
how easy is it to get to some nice nature laces/temples/something serene?


Nature? Temples? In Dalian? Laughing Laughing Laughing Well, there are a few parks. You want to see temples? You will have to go into more remote regions of China.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger wrote:
First thing:
The jobs are NOT aplenty - contrary to what some incorrigible optimists proclaim. There are posts available, but why should the hirers hire just anyone? They do run background checks, and besides, do you have relevant credentials to apply for a job here?

Second:
It is now mid-August, time for the kids to recuperate from their last semester or torture. Even their tormentors are on (paid) holiday and won't scan new job applications before the end of the month!

Or are you hoping to land a job in a language mill? Well then, there are thousands of itinerant jobseekedrs in China... the other day a training centre Personnel Manager told me he got 300-plus applicatiolns for a single position.


First:
Yes, I think I do.

What is a language mil?
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NickH



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tw wrote:
NickH wrote:
I read your review. Sounded ok except for the part about being very far away from everything and curfew etc...


Well that was written almost a year ago and things have changed since. For starters there is a free shuttle bus that takes people from right infront of the school to a new Carrefour store. There are other shuttle buses that go to other stores but I just didn't bother shopping there.

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how easy is it to get to some nice nature laces/temples/something serene?


Nature? Temples? In Dalian? Laughing Laughing Laughing Well, there are a few parks. You want to see temples? You will have to go into more remote regions of China.


I would prefer to be in some place where there is at least one nice piece of nature/park I can get to..important for my serenity.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NickH wrote:
What is a language mil?


Language training centre, AKA [private] language school.
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Babala



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick.
Jiangyin city is listed as one of the cleanest cities in China. It also has one of the highest standards of living in China. It's about 1 1/2 hours away from Shanghai.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Babala wrote:
Nick. Jiangyin city is listed as one of the cleanest cities in China.

The important caveat here is 'in China'. In the context of Mainland China, 'one of the cleanest' can be paraphrased equally as well with 'one of the least polluted'.

"In a new book on China's environment, "The River Runs Black," a Council on Foreign Relations scholar, Elizabeth Economy, documents how two-thirds of Chinese cities have air quality below World Health Organization standards, by far the worst rate of any large country in the world. By some measures, at least six of the world's 10 most polluted cities are in China, including Beijing and Urumqi. Several have the highest rates of airborne carbon monoxide in the world. The country's environmental agency says that living in Chinese cities with the worst air pollution does more damage to an average Chinese person's lungs than smoking two packs of cigarettes a day."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31072-2004Sep18.html
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